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Letter from a reader on the ‘Allah’ imbroglio

The curious case of (the maybe) mad grab for political power in Sarawak (and perhaps Sabah, too)

By Ruhayat X

I didn’t want to say anything about the Allah issue since there are too many idiots on both sides as it is. But then the Klang church decided to conduct their BM services using Allah, but not their Tamil and English ones. I found that curious. And enlightening.

Because the word for God in Tamil is not Allah?

News flash: neither is it in Malay.

A question of motives
I question the motive and the timing. I will argue that the motive is dictating the timing, as we will see later. For now:

The argument that has become a familiar refrain is that the Christian natives of Sabah, Sarawak and Indonesia have been using Allah to refer to God for generations. Well, then, I’m sorry to say, but for those very generations, they have been terribly misled by their shepherds.

To bow to Allah is like bowing to Krishna. Both heretical gods to Christians.

Or as a Christian commenter to a blog put it:

“Allah is not simply the Arabic word for “god” – the word Allah in pre-Islamic times referred to the Moon God in the Arabic pantheon of gods. To suggest that Jews insert “Allah” instead of the words which we do use (HASHEM, etc.) is blasphemy in and of itself. We might as well use the word Zeus or Shiva! (…) His name is not, by any stretch of the imagination, “Allah”.”

It seems the bibles should indeed be amended to reflect the truth, yes, but that truth is not what they might think it is.

When Allah is not god
Perhaps a brief appreciation of semiotics and etymology?

In England, Hoover is a brand that has become so ubiquitous it is sometimes used as hoover – small h – as a noun to mean vacuum cleaners, or a verb (to hoover) to mean vacuuming. Here, Colgate became the same. Malay to child: “Gi kedai beli colgate skek” – meaning, any toothpaste will do, not just Colgate.

Now observe:
The Malays will sometimes say Tuhan when what they mean is Allah. “Tuhan je yang tahu” – in their hearts, they think of Allah.

But it is NEVER used the other way. The Malays would never use Allah as a catch-all for Tuhan. I have never heard a single Malay say, “Orang Buddha pun ada Allah. Allah dalam agama Buddha kata…” Never.

So I said, the Christian natives have been badly led astray. Lead them back to the straight path. Teach them: it’s Tuhan, not Allah.

An Arabic God, then?
You may then want to argue about the Arab etymology of the noun Al-Lah. The God. A seemingly generic term. So you want to transfer the language specific to the usage in one community, into quite a foreign context, thinking the same meaning ought to apply. How colonial.

But it doesn’t matter – you are on the side of the righteous. So you suddenly champion the voice of a renowned international Muslim cleric, who says Allah is a universal entity and all humanity can use his name. Fair enough. But my advice then is this: if you wish to take the words of clerics from foreign realms, than take the whole of their decrees, not only whenever it suits you.

Take what they say about the universal usage of Allah if you must, but don’t reject their words once they start imposing syariah on you. Cherry-picking to suit arguments ain’t the traits of a learned person.

But another big but
We borrow again from a Christian source to share with you this revelation: that Allah is not the generic term for God. Viz:

“In summary, ArabBible uses the definite, common noun, “al-ilaah” to refer to God, rather than the Islamic proper noun, “Allah”. We believe this is based on good Biblical and linguistic precedents.

Yet know that in Islam the different realms have traditionally been governed by indigenous authorities who have autonomous power. That’s why our laws have some variations, to take into account the special needs and traditions of a given people and their environment.

Thus, without denying the authority of Yusuf Qardawi, I stand by argument that the term “Allah” has specific meaning to the Malays different than in the Middle Eastern context. We have Allah, and we have Tuhan. Whereas to the Arabs, Muslim or otherwise, Allah is Tuhan is Allah.

Educate yourself a little. Read the Quran and see what characteristics this Allah – who calls himself such – ascribes himself. And then know what the Malays mean when they say “Allah”.

Christians who deny Allah
We’ve already had the strange phenomenon of non-Muslims suddenly championing a Muslim cleric to state the case for Allah. You realise it works just as well the other way around, too, right?

“The names of Allah reveal him as a distinct entity. Likewise, the names of the God of Israel, reveal Him as a distinct entity. The conclusion is that the two beings do not agree in their names and therefore do not agree in their personalities, purposes, character, attributes or essence.
–2008 Hannah Henderson
Hannah Henderson is an ordained minister and writer for Heavenly Manna.”

And I did say, didn’t I, that if you use Allah instead of Tuhan, your akidah sudah terpesong. This is from another Christian personality:

““Allah is an extremely powerful demon. He is a demon God. What Muslims are worshiping is actually a demon. They think they are worshiping God, they’re deceived, they’ve been fooled, so I don’t want to be hard on them, the Muslims have been fooled, they’ve been lied to, they’ve been deceived, they think they are worshiping the true God but they are worshiping a demon-god, this is according to the New Testament.”

See? Now set ’em back on the right path, Good Paderi Andrew, saviour of Christian souls!

And Allah for all…
While he’s on his crusade, we’re sure Paderi Andrew will sooner or later demand changes to both the Rukunegara and Negaraku, too. Yes?

Kepercayaan kepada Allah?

Rahmat bahgia, Allah kurniakan?

I will, however, accept the universal usage of Allah once the Vatican starts using it to refer the true God. Allah only for BM and Iban speakers? That’s hardly universal.

You know, if the Klang church had conducted services in all languages using the single term “Allah”, we wouldn’t even need to have this discussion.

It’s even stranger because a book store near my place plays Islamic ceramahs in Tamil all the time and guess what, they use Allah every time. So Allah exists in Tamil. Just not in church. And this is “universal”. Uhuh. Now we have to question the motive. Now we ask, wait, hang on a sec, what’s really going on?

The question of why
Christian natives in Sabah and Sarawak have been using Allah for ages with no big drama, nor does it raise even an eyebrow of their Muslim or other fellow citizens. So why now? And why such vehement insistence to extend its use on the Peninsula? For the sake of migrant Borneans? But they have been migrant here in drives for ages, too!

I can’t speak for all the Malay Muslims out here but frankly, I don’t like the stink of the motives. I don’t think he is sincere in wanting to use the “universal term” of Allah. I do think our pastor is dabbling in some pretty unChristian behaviour here.

So far there has been no big reaction from Putrajaya other than “Keep Calm And Remain Sane”. But whatever I might think of the Ah Jib Gor administration, I think he knows that the damage control he needs to do is not here in Semenanjung. But over there in Sarawak, and Sabah.

Because when you reflect on it to its logical conclusion – why is this happening = who profits the most out of it? – this is what the whole Allah campaign seems to be really about:

It hides the wedge of a knife into the BN honeypots of East Malaysia.

To risk disunity to wrest power, now that takes some special kind of crazy, don’t you agree.

How to fiddle in Rome
The tragedy is that could it be that Muslims are being pitted against Christians ostensibly so that some people could shake Sarawak, and maybe Sabah, and take power at the next General Election? If so, see what some people would do just to come to power.

At the Tuol Sleng in Phnom Penh I first observed, how evil could be so mundane. A torture prison set up in the ordinary precincts of a school. Can you imagine? It’s hard to as you stroll through the leafy walkway outside. It’s just a school. Until you see the rows and rows of faded black and white photos of the men, women and children who had been “processed” through it.

This is true also of Machiavellian politics. They make you think of some grand agenda, a clash of civilisations, something romantic.

But in the centre of it lies something so mundane: a simple political power play.

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55 thoughts on “Letter from a reader on the ‘Allah’ imbroglio

  1. “So I said, the Christian natives have been badly led astray. Lead them back to the straight path. Teach them: it’s Tuhan, not Allah.”

    You’re incredibly patronising. You feel strongly enough, go do it yourself, this zealous reverse missionary position you want to take.

    The “Christian natives” have been doing this since the 17th century. (Educate yourself a little.) So I guess a quick half-hour lecture from you should set them straight. Then they can get their Bibles reprinted, approved and signed off by you, and they can swear (on “God”s” name, of course) not to do it again. Silly natives.

    What’s that?

    Not your role to set them straight? No, it isn’t. In fact nothing needs “setting straight”. Leave them be. Has any “Christian native” (god/allah/tuhan/buddha/krishna, what an awful phrase) dictated to you what to pray to, or how? No, they haven’t. So don’t do it to them.

    Educate yourself a little.

    Your next campaign should be (perhaps) for the rightful deletion from the Quran of every concept or name derived from earlier Abrahamic religions like Christianity or Judaism. Christianity is only 6 centuries older then Islam, by the way. The Christian natives are now asserting copyright. Pretty fair, I think? Sauce for the goose, etc.

    “Something so mundane: a simple political power play.”

    Yep. Ask umno about that. Trace the history from the 1980s onwards. You’re right.

    Educate yourself a little.

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    • So are you saying, the Christian natives only exist starting from the 17th century? Did they migrated from somewhere? If they had existed before 17th century, what was the religion of this christian natives? You did say they have done it since (only) the 17th century.

      Were they muslims before that? Or pagans?

      Must be some imam kristian teaching them all this wrong things about christianity. Allah is Roh kudus too? 100 dead popes in the catacombs in Vatican are rolling in their graves right now. Educate yourself first laaah! Hahahaha

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    • Looks like the article touched a raw nerve. So it did its job, then.

      When people tell you your flock has been lost and badly misled by their shepherds, you don’t make it worse by admitting they’ve been like that for 300 years (since the 17th century!) and be proud of that fact. Heheh.

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    • truthiness,

      What “truthiness” are you talking about? You don’t get it, do you? What you say up there being resented – 12 thumbs down now and many readers not bothering to rate because of utter disgust at your statements.

      Still don’t understand that in this country, the Constitution, the highest set of laws in the country, and other laws enacted pursuant to the relevant Clauses pertaining to Islam as “the religion of the Federation” point to Islam having a special position, no proselytizing, no attempt to convert Muslims? And, when the word Tuhan is sufficient to describe other Gods, wanting to use of the kalimah Allah has no other objective except to facilitate converting the rakyat which may include Muslims, as shown by the Methodist Church Damansara Utama inviting 12 Muslims to “berbuka puasa” at a Church? And reports that a copy of the Malay language bible Al Kitab placed on the table for each one of those sitting for the “buka puasa” nonsense?

      What “Educate yourself a little” are you talking about? What school did you go to? Chinese schools? Isolating yourself, mixing only among your own community? Didn’t read the Constitution or the laws enacted pursuant to what the Constitution says? I have news for you: many have been shooing those who do not respect the Constitution and other laws emanating from that to scram, migrate.

      Don’t start being seditious or subversive talking about “deletion from the Quran”. Yes, the ISA should be brought back and you and your kind should be hauled to the Kamunting Detention Centre.

      So, either you educate yourself sufficiently on the Constitution and the relevant laws, and live by them, or be prosecuted/ detained, or you migrate, ok?

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    • This christian fool and his co-religionists in here can’t even understand a simple thing. But he got the gall to tell others to educate themselves. The real issue is whether it’s right or wrong to use/invoke Allah’s name by christian natives of the borneos just because they have been doing it for centuries. Allah is a name, a proper noun [which can’t be translated], not a generic term for god. Allah refers to a specific God that Muslims regard as the true God. Christians, on the other hand, regard Jesus as god. Jesus is also a proper noun. Christians call him Lord Jesus in English. The translation is thus Tuhan Jesus, as the name Jesus is also incapable of translation. If they want to use the generic word god they say Lord God, when translated into Malay become just “Tuhan”, not Tuhan Tuhan or Tuhan Allah as that stupid Paderi Murphy “Murky” Pakiam claims. You christians better stop being mischief makers and social menace or you will have to pay a heavy price for it…SOON!

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    Tract B–321
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    Is Allah Just Another Name For God?

    By Bob Jackson

    “Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them show unto them. Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:6–8

    Recently a Catholic priest in the Netherlands made the suggestion that we all call God “Allah,” and we Christians and Muslims could get along with one another. However, is Allah just a name for the one true God? Is Allah of the Koran and God in the Bible the same being? Christians in Muslim countries generally call God Allah, but is that really correct? We support a missionary in Indonesia that is working to translate the Bible into their language, and God will not be translated with the name Allah in that translation.

    There Is One True God

    God made everything material that now exists, Isaiah 45:18; Genesis 1:1. This creation was accomplished through the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, John 1:1–4,14,18. Muslim teaching (the teaching of Allah), however, rejects the deity of Jesus Christ, John 10:30; Isaiah 9:6. Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, John 1:14,18. Jesus Christ came as God’s provision to redeem us from our sins, 1 Peter 3:18; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Philippians 2:5–8. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins coupled with His victorious resurrection is the only means for a human being to have a relationship with God and become His child, Romans 1:16; 10:9–10; Colossians 1:27. However, in Muslim teaching, Jesus Christ is declared to be no more than a prophet for His time on earth among His own people, Romans 1:3–4.

    “Isa Almasih is the false Jesus of the Koran. The Koran declares that Isa Almasih was born of a virgin, but that God is not his Father. Isa Almasih is not God’s Son. Isa Almasih did not die on the cross (most Muslims believe that the man who died on the cross was Judas Iscariot, not Jesus). Muslims believe that Isa Almasih was translated that he should not see death (like Enoch), and so did not die, was not buried, and definitely did not rise from the dead. Clearly, therefore, ‘Isa Almasih’ is not the Jesus of the Bible.”

    “In 1832 a revision of an earlier (Indonesian language) translation of the four gospels and the book of Acts was made by Claudius Thomsen. Munsyi Abdullah was Thomsen’s language teacher. At the end, Munsyi Abdullah was very critical of Thomsen’s work as he did not like the use of various Christian terms mixed with Islamic terms. Most likely he especially did not like Jesus being called Allah’s child. He would have disliked Jesus being called Allah’s Son even more. An important part of Islamic theology is that Allah cannot have a child, so any Muslim would not be pleased to read either statement.” Quoted from “A Sharp Two-Edged Sword For Indonesia” written by Dr. Louis A. Turk.

    This one true God is manifest in three persons, 1 John 5:7. Of course, we call this truth the Trinity. While this word “trinity” does not appear in the Bible, the doctrine is evident there. Each person of the Trinity is recognized in the work of redemption, 1 Peter 1:2. The plan of redemption was made from the foundation of the world, Revelation 13:8. In this plan we see the personal suffering and sacrifice of our Savior as our substitute for sins, 1 Peter 3:18; 2:24. We also see the persuasive conviction of the Holy Spirit through the Word of God in this plan of redemption, John 16:7–11. The Trinity is also revealed in the Word of God on different occasions, Matthew 3:16–17; 1 John 5:7. Muslims, however, declare, “There is no such blasphemous thing as the ‘Trinity.’” This is the teaching of Allah.

    The Triune God of the Bible makes Himself known to us through His love for us, John 3:16; 1 John 4:10. Love is a characteristic of the true God of the Bible, 1 John 4:8. The Koran calls Allah “all-loving,” but he expresses no love to people, 1 John 3:16. We certainly see the evidence of “the love of Allah” expressed by many Muslim followers as they seek to kill innocent people, and even use their own children as human bombs. Could the same God, the one true God, so totally change His character in just over 500 years, which is the time between the completion of the written Word of God (the Bible) and the so-called revelation given to Muhammad, James 1:17; Malachi 3:6. The Bible answer is a resounding, No!

    The Name Of The True God

    “LORD” (Isaiah 44:6) is generally the translation of the name Jehovah in the Bible. This name means the eternal, self-existent One. God is identified by many names in the Bible; all of these names refer to the same God and identify various characteristics of God. Salvation is given through the name of (the person of) Jesus Christ, Acts 4:10–12; Philippians 2:9–11. Knowing the true God requires receiving Jesus Christ as our personal Savior, John 14:6; 1 John 2:23. There is no other means of approaching God except through the Lord Jesus Christ, John 14:6.

    From various sources, it is clear that the name Allah came from pre-Muslim belief among Arab peoples. “Early Arabian kingdoms had their deities including Athtar the male Venus star, Ilmuqah (also known as Hawbas, ‘Amm, Anbay, Wadd, Sin, or Mawl) the moon god, and a sun goddess, Dhat Ba’adan or Dhat Himyan…. Their religion was polytheistic and was related to the paganism of the ancient Semites. The beings it adored were in origin the inhabitants and patrons of single places, living in trees, fountains, and especially sacred stones. There were some gods in the true sense, transcending in their authority the boundaries of purely tribal cults. The three most important were Manat, ‘Uzza, and Allat. These three were themselves subordinate to a higher deity, usually called Allah…. Their religion was not personal but communal. The tribal faith centered around the tribal god, symbolized usually by a stone, sometimes by some other object.”

    “The Koran mentions these pagan deities in Sura 53:19–20: ‘Have ye seen Lat, and ‘Uzza, and another, the third (goddess) Manat?’ This is followed by an assertion (vss.21–23) that these goddesses, the daughters of Allah the moon god according to pre-Islamic Arab theology, are mere human creations that divide God into parts. These deities were popular at Mecca at the time of Muhammad’s birth.”

    “It is believed by some scholars that Allah, or al-Ilah (“the god”), can be traced to Ilah, the South Arabian moon god…. The Quran speaks of hanifs , pre-Islamic Arab monotheists who were neither Christians nor Jewish. Extant evidence shows that Allah meant ‘the (one) God’ for many Christians, Jews, monophysites, and Nestorians who lived throughout the Arabian peninsula.” These quotes are all taken from The Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin.

    “One of the most alarming things one notices when examining the latest Indonesian translations of the Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia (Indonesia Bible Society), is the inappropriate use of Islamic terms. By this I do not mean Arabic words, for there are many Arabic words which have become part of the Indonesian language, and as long as these words are used properly there is no problem. Rather, what is alarming is the use of ‘Islamic’ terms in such a wrong way as to make one suspect that Muslims were somehow involved in the translations. There is one word which is of particular concern-‘Allah.’ In the modern translations (Theos) and (Elohim) are translated as ‘Allah.’ Most Indonesians (88 percent) are Muslims. Indonesia has, in fact, the largest Muslim population in the world. The remainder of the population is: Protestant 5, Roman Catholic 3, Hindu 2, Buddhist 1, other 1 (as of 1998). So what a word means to Muslims is important. When they read an Islamic term in the Bible, they are going to think it means what it commonly means to the vast majority of the population. This is especially true for the word ‘Allah.’ It is wrong for a translator to try to make a word mean something different than what that word means to 88 percent of the population. Most previous translators have tried to force ‘Allah’ to mean ‘God’ when it does not mean God to the predominately Muslim population. Allah is the name of Islam’s god; the Arabic word for God is Ilah, not Allah. For 88 percent of the population of Indonesia, Allah does not mean God, and therefore the word ‘Allah’ should not be found in the Bible.”

    “The Arabic word for God is Ilah not Allah. Muslim Arabs say: ‘There is no Ilah but Allah;’ they do not say, ‘There is no Allah but Allah.’ At least one translation of the Koran into Indonesian uses ‘Ilah’ for ‘God,’ and ‘Allah’ only for the name of Islam’s god. Another Indonesian version of the Koran translates God as ‘Tuhan,’ but ‘Allah’ still only as their god’s name. To repeat, Allah does not mean God, but is the name of the Islamic god. This mistranslation of the word for God and of the name of God has had dire consequences. Allah is not Yahweh (Jehovah). If it is wrong for a Christian to worship in the name of Molech or in the name of Baal, then it is also wrong for a Christian to worship in the name of Allah. Allah is the Muslim god who has no son and is not a Trinity. Allah is the god of Muslims, not the God of Christians. ‘Yahweh’ is the name of the Christian God. In Hebrew and Indonesian, Jesus is pronounced Yesus, and Jehovah is pronounced ‘Yahweh.’”

    “Many Indonesians say that the Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia translations are one of the major causes of the massacre of thousands of Christians in the Maluku Islands and on the island of Sulawesi during 1998–2001, and continuing to a lesser extent down to this day, because Muslims were (and still are) offended by the Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia Bibles saying that Allah had a Son. The fact is Allah does not have a son, but Jehovah (Yahweh) does!”

    “Koran Shakir translation: 3:2 ‘Allah, (there is) no god but He’… [If ‘Allah’ meant ‘God’ then Shakir would have translated this verse ‘Allah (there is) no Allah but He.’ The Oxford English Dictionary gives this definition: ‘Allah: the name of the Deity among Muslims.’”

    “‘Allah’ is not a common name, and does not mean ‘God.’ Instead, ‘Allah’ is a proper (personal) name for Islam’s god. Allah is not the same God as Yahweh. Allah is not the God of Christianity, and the word ‘Allah’ should not be found in a translation of the Bible. Bibles that include the name ‘Allah’ are not suitable for use in Bible-believing churches.” Quotations from “A Sharp Two-Edged Sword For Indonesia.”

    There also seems to be some connection with an ancient moon god, and we see this in the symbols used by Muslims worldwide. “In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase…. The pagan Arabs worshiped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor; etc.” This quote is taken from the Yeshua Communications Network.

    Therefore, we conclude that the Muslim god Allah is not the God of the Bible. Allah is not the true God, and we would be sinning against God to call Him Allah, Acts 4:12.

    Tract B–321 can be Ordered From Tabernacle Baptist Church

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  3. From what I read in some other site, this Allah dispute with that church and that Indian priest have been going on since 1980 something. If anything, the motive for the claim lies with the priest, not DAP. Don’t know what his true intentions are.
    Lim Guan Eng used this issue on Christmas 2012 because he wanted a distraction from the ROS problem. Now, DAP has started the offensive for Sabah and Sarawak, they may be using this issue as capital too, but I have no idea what Sabah and Sarawak people feel about it. I think DAP made progress in urban areas there, but I think that’s due to Chinese votes just as in Semenanjung.

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  4. Now the people out there have got some idea where the center of power lies in the apposition coalition. Which party makes the most noise/statements and which one is mute. It is really no brainer after all whose the power behind the throne. It’s clear our Muslims brothers over there can’t be counted to defend the aqidah and tauhid of Muslims in Malaysia. Imagine one day, in decent future, BN is defeated and they come into power. Can they be rely on by Muslims in Malaysia to protect the position of Islam in this country? You don’t have to too far ahead as we have already seen how ‘pugnacious’ they defended Islam. It is there too see as the event unfold. And I haven’t touch on Malay rights and privileges, have I ? .Are these people could be rely upon on that as well if that fateful day does happen? I dread that day. Malay and Islam and Tanah Melayu. What will happen to them.
    Religion is just a cosmetic to lull people into believing theirs is ‘fi sabilillah’ while the fact what they really into is power. Religion is just the tool to get there. Coming to think of it, it’s funny they accused the PM being silent on the issue while the fact the PM had spoken on it at morning assembly at JPM. It is their Muslims partner in the coalition which have not. Pot telling kettle black.

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    • anon JANUARY 10, 2014 AT 6:47 PM and
      BaladaSeorangPengembara JANUARY 10, 2014 AT 6:51 PM,

      That’s why Tun Dr Mahathir said “Bring back ISA to control actions of extremist minority group,” and IGP Khalid said, “I wish we bring back ISA” –

      January 10, 2014, Friday

      KUALA LUMPUR: Former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad yesterday suggested that the government bring back the repealed Internal Security Act (ISA) to control the actions of the extremist minority who, he said, had undermined the country’s stability.

      He said the group was immature and willing to make statements that touched on the sensitivities of other races as well as disrupted harmony in the country.

      “For extremists like this group, we need the ISA,” he told reporters after appearing as a special guest on the RTM2 ‘Hello On Two’ programme which was aired live at Wisma TV, Angkasapuri, here.

      — Bernama

      xxx

      January 10, 2014 MYT 11:06:03 PM

      KUALA LUMPUR: Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar wishes for a return of the Internal Security Act (ISA) as the law will provide better security for the people.

      “I am supportive of the ISA and any law that could assist the police in making the country safer,” he told a press conference in Bukit Aman on Friday.

      – thestar.com.

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      • Let’s support the call made by Tun Dr Mahathir and the IGP above.

        Let’s write about it here and there until the ISA is brought back.

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  5. BaladaSeorangPengembara u type PM speak at morning assembly at JPM? Haiyah lu kasi impression itu macam punya PM ah-jib gor x telur to speak in front of million of Malaysian la…tapi saya mmg setuju sgt klu itu mcm punya statement..heheh

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      • guess you are right, the word or phrase allah is not a proper name after all, certainly not god’s name or name for a pop rock group, perhaps its is the combination of the words
        “al” & “illah”, i.e. the god ….. so whats all the fuss??

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          • why is “allah” a proper noun, there is a verse in al quran that cleary stated “allah” is a proper noun? or i have to refer to some other book beside al-quran?🙂 how do you come up to that? care to share?

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            • now why do you want to drag my mother into your comment? Very un-Quranic. Yes it stated in Quran that Allah is a proper noun and proper name. Surah Taha verse 14 clearly states that. “I am Allah, no other god besides me”. If that is not a proper noun, then I don’t know what is. In my other comment below I said proper names not necessarily must have prefix ‘al’. Your assumption is all wrong.

              I think you got your knowledge because someone just told you. Not because you really studied it. You got your information wrong.

              And please, wanna learn some knowledge? Stop being condescending towards others. You will stuck with the wrong information all your life because you think you don’t need to learn anything else.

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            • You are a seditious bastard who keeps using the kalimah Allah as a blogging name. You should be arrested for sedition or under the law that can detain you without trial for 2 years, renewable for 2 years.

              And when the ISA is brought back, you be shoved into the Kamunting Detention Centre and made to rot there for an indefinite period. Damn you for inciting the feelings of the Muslims. God will punish you and you’ll burn in Hell.

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            • “care to share” is classic syntax – a common grammatical error – committed by Chinese speaking people. Thanks for revealing yourself to us.

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        • I echo the commenter above. Stop making yourself and your kind sound ultra-stupid. What poor logic and comprehension skills you possess.

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    • You SOB, SOG, extremely abominable, seditious bastak, using the word Allah as a blogging name. You want to create animosity, anger and condemnation of the utmost proportions towards you and your kind?

      Or you are simply headless, brainless and totally useless as a human being in a country having Muslims as the majority.

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    • What a stupid thing to say. What makes something a proper name is how it is used, not how it is derived or whether you can put “al” in front of it. If it refers to a unique entity, then it’s a proper name. Al Jazeerah and Ali are both proper names, no?

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      • very stupid oik65! in al-quran, not sure about the bible, a proper name/noun should have the prefix “al”. al-quran is consistent right? ali can be a “name”, derived from the Arabic root ʿ-L-Y which literally means “high” or “Elevated”, so using al-quran linguistic syntax if it is a name then it will be written something like “al-ali” in the al-quran.

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        • not necessarily. in Surah Al-Baqarah verse 33 it just mentioned – “Qala Yaa Adamu” when God called out to Adam. Notice there are no ‘al’ there. In verse 60 : “Wa izzis tasqaa musa liqaumim..” which translated to ‘and remember when Musa requested for water’.. there is no prefix ‘al’ in there either. in quran it doesn’t mean, you need to put ‘al’ to show proper noun. There are dozens other examples.

          Don’t go around calling other people stupid before you make any research.

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        • I’m scratching my head trying to figure out how you got this ridiculous notion that a proper name/noun should have the prefix “al” in the Quran. Care to show some proof? To say that Muhammad, Isa, Bakkah, Maryam, Jibrail, etc are not proper nouns is (I’m sorry to have to say this again) stupid in the extreme.

          The only explanation I can find for your confusion is the fact that in some cases common nouns can be turned into proper nouns by adding “al” as a prefix. For example baqarah means cow in Arabic, but the “Al Baqarah” in the Quran refers to a specific cow, so it is a proper noun. But this certainly does not mean that all proper nouns must have the prefix “al”.

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          • which specific cow is al-quran refering to? must be some magical cow? LoL, the surah name/title is given by man! this is a fact. you are not even aware of that? teruskan mengaruk kepala …..

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      • ….. and of course if your real name is ali bin stupid, when i speak to you i will not call you al-ali,😉 …… i’m talking about al-quran syntax, al-quran is very clear and consistent, unlike some foul-mouth stupido wannabe, anyway this is just my opinion, try not to start jihad war on me lah bro yeah ….

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        • You are an anarchist, thug and gangster. Who cares not the feelings of others. Just say whatever you want to say without any decorum and decency. The kind that caused the race riots of 13 May 1969.

          Here is your kind – Cina Bukit, biadap and kurang ajar – as copied from earlier comments:

          Here is what Professor C.P. Fitzgerald says in his book, “A Short Cultural History of China” (600+ pages) – he lived in China for 5 years to research and gather material for that book:

          The phrase “origin of the Chinese people” is in itself misleading.

          1. Chinese culture took root in the plains of Manchuria, a foreign country until after World War II

          2. The northern provinces have always to some degree been mixed with “peoples from the Mongolian steppes”

          3. The southern and central provinces of China were, before the northerners moved southwards, “covered” by non-Chinese, the Miao, small in size and who the Chinese were contemptuous of.

          4. The south was occupied by “aboriginal tribes which once occupied the whole of south China”. The ancestors of most of the migrants to Malaya/ sia came from the south. The Professor said, “A large proportion of the population of the south calling itself ‘Chinese’ is in fact descended from one or other of the aboriginal races” – page 6. “The southern people were then treated (by the northerners) as barbarous” – pg 32. Even in modern times, in Yunnan and Kueichou, tribesmen number half the population.

          The southerners comprise the following major groups:

          a. Fukienese (Hokkien), “a separate stock, mixed with immigrants from the north and the Yangtze Valley” and speaking “a peculiar dialect”.

          b. Cantonese, also speak a somewhat alien language, a form of old Chinese – the south was colonized by the northerners, colonization completed in the 7th Century – some 800 years after China was formed as a political entity by Chin Shih Huang Di.

          c. Hakkas, of Kuantung province, known as “guest families” – they speak a peculiar dialect, despised by the Cantonese and do not inter marry. These people were said to have come from the north, running away from frequent Mongol invasions that culminated in the conquest of China by Genghis Khan in the 13th Century.

          Another Professor, Albert Kolb, also pointed out in his book, “East Asia”, 1971,

          “Chinese culture cannot be thought of as originally Chinese because the Chinese themselves emerged gradually as a blend of many races and peoples”. (Pg 26).

          Remember, the Professor said, “A large proportion of the population of the south (where your ancestors came from) calling itself ‘Chinese’ is in fact descended from one or other of the aboriginal races.” So, if any of you are referred to as descendants of the Miao (who are aborigines and non-Chinese), or other aborigines or hill tribes of south China, or called Cina Bukit, don’t blame me, I’m just a messenger of the news. You can’t also blame Professor Fitzgerald any more because he died some years ago.

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        • Here is another description that fits you well:

          You have a foul mouth and incorrigibly bad manners. You are biadap and kurang ajar. Commenting without decorum and decency. You are descended from a mixture of races, including the non-Chinese races in China that history Professors have written about, the bad aspects of which manifest in you –

          Mongol (hugely polygamous Genghiz Khan invaders and colonizers of China in the 13th Century), Tungus, Turk, Tai, Miao, Tibetan, Manchu (invaders and colonizers embedding themselves in China for several hundred years, ruling from the 17th until the 20th Century – from Manchuria, a foreign country until after World War II), Yueh, Yao, etc. And the hill tribes of southern China – the Cina Bukit.

          Only you and your DAP kind are like that. Biadap (like DAP Vice Chairman Tunku Aziz said of Lim Guan Eng when he bolted out of the party) and kurang ajar, the Cina Bukit kind.

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  6. The arguments have been forwarded, the court has ruled and the Sultan of Selangor has decreed on the #KalimahAllah issue. The matter is clear and there’s actually nothing more to discuss. But yet these priest are openly challenging the Sultan, the court and Muslims. It’s not likely these priests are into this on their own without people with vested political interests instructing them. And it doesn’t take a political analyst to figure out who they are.

    Here’s one possibility how this matter will be`resolved’: After provoking and squeezing the issue, and upon instruction from the DAP, these priests will announce they will not use KalimahAllah… “After having talks with PAS and PKR Muslims leaders and listening to their point of view, in the interest of unity and out of respect for these leaders, we will no longer use Kalimah Allah” — In the process, they will help boost PAS’ and PKR’s standing among the Malays and Muslims; that these political opportunists are seen as “problem solvers”, “bridge builders”.

    The unthinking PAS supporters especially would have the opportunity to thump their chest, honestly and naively believing PAS “is a huge factor in influencing DAP”, that “PAS is the lynchpin and leader in Pakatan Rakyat” (not the DAP’s unpaid balachi). Don’t be surprised should this scenario happen. This could be THE REAL game plan when it comes to the issue, hatched by the DAP, with or without PAS’ initial involvement. After all, since before the 2008 General Elections and until now, it has been the DAP who had come up with the various sly plans – Anak Bangsa Malaysia, `Racist’ etc. All it needs now is for more Malays and Muslims to have blind faith in PAS, and to provoke enough Bumiputera in Sabah and Sarawak against the BN. After that, it – the DAP – will be ruling Malaysia and implementing its agendas, as it had done in Perak, with PAS being fooled into thinking and feeling it “is heading the state government”.

    Let’s see how this matter plays out. But even if the above scenario doesn’t play out, you can see the DAP’s irresponsibility and disregard for national interests with its manipulation of KalimahAllah… testing to see how far the Malays and Muslims can be pressed before something breaks. When it does, and in the times of strife and chaos, WHO will suffer – these priests and the political opportunists? No, they will be the first to flee. It will be the common people – you and I – who will have to face the consequences which these political scums are provoking.

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    • I don’t think it’s a matter of “testing”, Mat. It’s just plain and simple kurang ajar – “biadap”, said DAP Vice-President Tengku Aziz of Lim Guan Eng as he stormed out of the party.

      These are the Cina Bukit kind that has been explained with quotations from Professors and academicians many times here and there. The kind that’s anti-Malay, anti-Islam who caused the race riots of 1969. Firm and swift measures have to be taken against them to stop the situation from worsening.

      And bringing back ISA is one effective measure. After all, the last six ISA detainees released were religious criminals – those subscribing to the militancy of Jemaah Islamiah. And these people we are talking about are akin to that, are heading in the direction of chaos and disorder. After all, as you said, “The arguments have been forwarded, the court has ruled and the Sultan of Selangor has decreed on the #KalimahAllah issue. The matter is clear and there’s actually nothing more to discuss.” I like those two sentences – very well said. Yet the DAP buggers and others simply make irresponsible, seditious and subversive statements here and there.

      Put them behind bars, I say. The Sedition Act for now. And when the ISA is brought back, shut them up in the Kamunting ISA Detention Centre. We must have peace and harmony. After all, the Constitution says other religions “may be practised in peace in harmony.” And demanding to use the kalimah Allah in the face of strong objections by the Muslims in this country is not practising Christianity in peace and harmony.

      The laws of the country are quite clear. I’m pretty sure the Federal Court will rule in our favour. As has been said by others in the past, in the final deliberations, the Judges will have to go to the intent of those involved in the drafting of the Constitution. And at that time the Malays/ Muslims were about 80% of the population. Hence Islam as the religion of the country was placed as Article 3 of the Constitution.

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  7. Why the heck the christians never fail mentioning umno whenever discussing this issue?
    Its not about umno. Its about islam.
    Its not about umno warlords..
    It touches ordinary Muslim’s heart.
    I hate umno leaders.. now I hate christians more. Congratulations

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  8. If a religion cannot decide what to call God or have many names for God, then it cannot be call a true religion. If your name is Hannah, does it become Hannah or Tangachi in Tamil or Hannah or Amoy in Chinese or Hannah or Nih-sa in Arabic when it is translated. It shoud be the same.

    In Islam, god is Allah SWT in any languages.

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    • Bloody good arguments, Harris. I have not seen it argued like that. But what you said is very true. I especially like the Hannah-Tangachi-Amoy (she’s Ah Soh, isn’t she?) thingy.

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      • Yes, we learn in linguistics that a name cannot be translated across languages. A name, as a proper noun, has only one referent/ concept. ‘Allah’ meaning ‘The God’ in Arabic is a name with a referent and concept of the one Muslim God as all Muslims know. I don’t know Arabic except what I read in the Koran but I can guess that much that ‘Allah’ is made up of the article ‘al’ + ‘ilah’ and that ‘i’ in ‘ilah’ is assimilated to become ‘allah’. It is actually wrong linguistically, for both Muslims and non-Muslims to assume that Allah has another referent/ concept as has been suggested by the Christians or any other non-Muslims as in their God or Gods. Perhaps, the fault lies in the Malay translation of the Christian bible which was earlier based on the Arabic bible. The translators must have confused a usage of ‘Allah’ as a proper noun and a common noun. As in Malay, the word ‘tuhan’ is a common noun and ‘Tuhan’ a proper noun.

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  9. :”a simple political power play,” concludes the writer,

    In Malaysia, among the DAP blokes, it’s done with hatred and vengeance, and a strong sense of anti-Malay and anti-Islam feelings. It began when Singapore was in Malaysia in 1963-65 with the Maha Chauvinist and Extreme Racist Lee Kuan Yew coining the slogan of so-called Malaysian Malaysia, wanting equality and not recognizing the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak.

    The Christians among the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak, who may take some comfort on the DAP stand on the kalimah Allah issue, should always bear in mind the fact that the DAP has always been anti the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. The DAP under Lim Kit Siang hogged the Malaysian Malaysia slogan after Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore were kicked out of Malaysia. DAP carried on in the Semenanjong their anti-Malay and anti the Special Position of the Malays (which was extended to the Bumipiteras of Sabah and Sarawak at the formation of Malaysia) until they caused the race riots of 13 May 1969.

    The DAP is relentless in their onslaught against the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras. If the Sabah and Sarawak Christian Bumiputeras succumb to the machinations of the DAP blokes, they may end up getting their Special Position set aside there, too. It is very clear in Penang where the DAP rule, the DAP does not care for the Special Position of the Malays there. Even allocations of areas allowed for food stalls is given to the Chinese, practically nothing for the Malays. No low-cost housing as they want to ease the Malays out of the island to the mainland, making Penang predominantly Chinese, through their housing policy. The same no-preference for the Bumiputeras – and preference for the Chinese – will be given if DAP ever get to rule Sabah and Sarawak

    The chances of DAP ruling Sabah and Sarawak are not seen at all, but they may have some power if Pakatan Rakyat is ever allowed to rule there. If they get to be in charge of any portfolio, they’d do the same as in Penang – preference for the Chinese and none for the others. And we are appreciative of the Sabah and Sarawak Bumiputeras continuing to give the mandate to BN to rule thus far. We hope for the continuance of his forever.

    DAP is a racist, divisive and destructive political party. Despite its name, it is undemocratic, dictatorial and even anarchistic, no respect for authority. Complained by their own members of not carrying out their CEC elections according to their own party rules, when asked by the Registrar of Societies to furnish details to their report submitted to RoS, they threaten to sue the RoS. Imagine that.

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  10. I don’treally care who is right or wrong on this issue. As far as i am concerned, everyone has the right to use any word he likes. And if you don’t like it, then just swallow you pride and keep quiet.
    Freedom of usage of any words overides any religious consideration. If you allow religion to dictate life and society, then there will never be equality and justice.

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    • I don’t really care for your terrorist-like, no-respect-for-the Constitution and the laws of the country regarding the position of Islam in this country, but you deserve to be shitted at for those, which I’m doing to you now.

      Since you don’t respect the Constitution and the laws of the country, you should migrate to other countries.

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  11. The real God is the God who answer the prayer and give the blessing and He ask us to know Him by calling His real name. He is the first and the last, the alpha and the omega. And God don’t believe in religion because He is God. When “talkin” is said after we burried in the grave, the first question is “Siapakah Tuhan kamu?” The word “siapa” is mention to a name and a person, the one who can be seen and be talking to, so siapa? If “siapa: is not the correct word and language that mean the Malay race are not original and don’t have any proper language at all. Amen

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