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Worshiping Jesus in Islam

Thanks to blogger SatD, we came across this intriguing article on covert Christian evangelicals in East Africa. It tells a story of a muslim man who became an ardent follower of Christ eventhough outwardly, he is still deemed by the general community as a muslim.

But as the interview progressed, it is becoming clear that he is really a pure Christian at heart whereby he discounted the role of Prophet Muhammad and elevated the position of Christ (Isa Al Masih) and of course, believe in the Trinity (Holy Spirit, Father and Son).

In the belief system of any muslim, the centre of it all is the iman; and the most important part of the iman is the belief in Allah. The one true God. He neither begets nor was begotten. Which runs contrary to the Christian beliefs.

However, from the interview below which appeared in the web portal Christianity Today, the interviewee (known as a pseudonym of “Abu Jaz”) is clearly a member of an evangelical movement trying to subvert the unassuming muslims into a practising christian.

Remember SatD’s post about the type of muslims which are targeted by the Evangelicals? Within the post there is a schedule on the types on Christians in the muslim world:

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Types of Christians (C1 to C6) in the muslim world and how they are perceived by fellow muslims

Abu Jaz is clearly a C5 type of christian. And together with his movement, they are trying to move into C6 where they will be perceived as muslims but privately, they are christians. Note that for a muslim, the moment you believe in the Trinity and the bible, in substance, you are no longer a muslim. And Abu Jaz cited extensively verses from the bible and not once from the Quran. He even talked about syncretism between Christian and Islam.

Do read below on their modus operandi, which among others, telling muslims that they (the Christians) worship Allah too. The opening paragraphs are just misdirection in stating that Abu Jaz is still a muslim and not necessarily be a christian. But as mentioned before, as the interview progressed, it is an obvious fact that Abu Jaz is clearly a christian. We assure you this interview is a really great read in knowing the intricacies of the evangelical movement in East Africa.

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Worshiping Jesus in the Mosque

Can people from other religious traditions genuinely follow Jesus without becoming “Christians”? The question is a point of much dispute within today’s missions world. Those who follow Jesus yet don’t formally express Christian faith are said to belong to insider movements. And no insider movement has received more attention than Muslims who embrace Christ yet stay within their Islamic community. “Insiders” are hard to access due to cultural, geographic, and linguistic barriers. As a result, many Christians have taken positions on insider movements without ever having met or spoken with someone who belongs to one. In the following exclusive interview, we hear from just such an insider.

The following is the synthesis of two interviews conducted in 2011 with “Abu Jaz,” a key leader in a movement that describes itself as the People of the Gospel. This group represents several thousand Muslims in eastern Africa who have converted to faith in Christ during the past decade, but who have remained in their Muslim communities. Abu Jaz is married and has three children. He started followingIsa al Masih (“Jesus the Messiah”) as the Savior 18 years ago.

The interview was conducted by “Gene Daniels,” a missionary in the Muslim community for over a decade, who has published many articles in missionary journals. Christianity Today has verified the authenticity of the interviewer and interviewee, whose real names are withheld so that the work of the People of the Gospel will be protected.

Describe your conversion to Christ.

One night the only food my wife and I had was a small portion of macaroni. My wife prepared it very nicely. Then one of her friends knocked on the door. I told myself, The macaroni is not sufficient for even the two of us, so how will it be enough for three of us?But because we have no other custom, we opened the door, and she came in to eat with us.

While we were eating, the macaroni started to multiply; it became full in the bowl. I suspected that something was wrong with my eyes, so I started rubbing them. I thought maybe my wife hid some macaroni under the small table, so I checked, but there was nothing. My wife and I looked at each other, but because the guest was there we said nothing.

Afterward I lay down on the bed, and as I slept, Isa came to me and asked me, “Do you know who multiplied the macaroni?” I said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I am Isa al Masih. If you follow me, not only the macaroni but your life will be multiplied.”

He didn’t tell me that he was God; he didn’t tell me that he died on behalf of me; he didn’t say, “I am the Son of God.” He didn’t talk to me about any complicated theological issues. He only told me that if I followed him, he would multiply my life. At that time, I was very happy if he only multiplied the macaroni like he did that day. I didn’t understand what he meant when he said that my life would be multiplied. Now I understand what that means. But at that time, I accepted him simply as the “lord of macaroni.”

Much like the crowds in the Gospels who accepted him as “lord of bread.”

Yes, I just accepted him as one who satisfied my needs. That day I understood that because Allah loved me, Isa came to my home.

When I think back now, the kingdom of God came to my home. Jesus said, “[I]f I cast out demons … the kingdom … has come upon you” (Luke 11:20, NASB). Any miracle that takes place by Isa al Masih speaks of the kingdom of God. It was not because I was poor that Isa came to my home; there are many poor. It is not because he wanted to multiply my macaroni. Maybe there might be other people who can multiply macaroni, like magic. So what is the purpose? Isa al Masih came to my home with the kingdom of God. He didn’t completely explain theological issues, he only said, “If you will follow.”

I went to an [evangelical] church after that, and I faced a cultural challenge as a Muslim. Everything was different—their way of worship, the way they sang songs, the way they danced. Nothing was familiar to me.

I have my own expression of worship. When it comes to greetings, I say, As-salaam ‘alaykum (“Peace be upon you”), and I expect people to reply, Wa ‘alaykum Salaam wa rahmatu l-laahi wa barakaatuh (“Peace to you and may God’s mercy and blessings be upon you”). And we Muslims have a way of shaking hands. But in the church, it was totally different. Nobody liked my expressions. Brothers and sisters told me that As-salaam ‘alaykum and Wa ‘alaykum salaam were from the Devil, so it was hard for me to join and start life with members of the church.

I went to an [evangelical] church, and I faced a cultural challenge as a Muslim. Everything was different—their way of worship, the way they sang songs, the way they danced. Nothing was familiar to me.

One day the pastor came to me and said, “How are you?” I answered, “Alhamdulillah!” (“Praise be to God!”). The pastor was very angry. He said, “No, brother! No more Alhamdulillah. Your God is changed from Allah to God [using the tribal name]. You have to express your thanksgiving to God as a Christian, and we have our own expression of thanksgiving to God.” He ordered me to say, “Praise the Lord” and “Praise to God.” He asked me to not use the term Allah because Allah is evil, Allah is the Devil, Allah is the black stone, Allah is an idol. That was the first time I had heard [anyone say] that Allah is an idol or evil. I was shocked. When I do my spiritual duties, I think I am doing them for Allah. He is the one who created the universe, sustains the universe, and judges the universe. I couldn’t in my mind imagine that Allah is an idol or evil.

The next day the pastor asked, “How are you?” I wanted to replace his words with my own Alhamdulillah, but since the pastor warned me not to, I didn’t. I tried to say, “Praise the Lord,” or “Praise to God,” but for 33 years I had never used these words or the tribal name for God, and it was difficult to do so. So I stayed [in the church] without sayingAlhamdulillah for more than three months. I simply said, “I am fine.” I wanted to express my gratitude to Allah, but because of their understanding [of the term], I suppressed it.

Then I started questioning the justice of God. I asked him, “God, you are the one who put me in a Muslim culture; it was not my choice. They don’t allow me to express [my praise] in the congregation. When they hear Islamic terminologies, they immediately rebuke me, so I prefer to keep silent. You like the Orthodox culture, you like the traditional African culture, you like Jewish culture, you like the European culture, you like cultures of other people groups, but you dislike the Muslims. So you are not just.”

This stayed with me for two years. But finally, because I had no other alternative, I completely accepted the evangelical cultural context, and I dissolved all of my Islamic cultural identity. No more Islamic terms; [you could say] that in my context I became circumcised. Then people finally accepted me as a believer, but it isolated me from my own Muslim community.

Did the church accept you when you abandoned your Islamic identity?

When I changed my culture they thought I had finally become a believer; before that they did not consider me one. When I changed my culture to become like them, they even clapped their hands and said, “Now Abu Jaz has become a believer.” But I had already believed for two years.

After some time, I had the chance to go to a Bible college. While I studied there, I learned the difference between the supracultural substance of the Word of God and the cultural form that expresses it. Then my question was answered, [and I understood] that God really does love everyone. God opened my eyes to understand that all cultures are equal in his eyes. It is not holy contexts, only holy texts.

From that time, 1998 by the European calendar, I started to prepare myself to speak with my own community. In the Bible college, I discovered myself, and I wanted to restore my cultural identity again, the identity of my culture, not for the sake of the people, but to express myself and my faith in God. I went back and restored my former Islamic cultural identity. Then I rejoiced that God is just.

Still, even if I had theological and cultural challenges in the Christian community, I experienced love there, a love that was alive. The believers showed me and my wife kindness and love. So I praise God for these people.

But I understand the pain of Muslims. I understand what they fear. When they hear the Good News, they want to have Isa al Masih, but because they have been told that it is only Christians who think about him, they reject him. But now we are not repeating the same mistake.

Talk a little about the theology of your movement.

We do not use systematic theology, even though I studied [it] in Bible college and understand how and when Christians developed different Christologies, for example. I know church history, and I know the creeds and when they started. The early church fathers faced external and internal challenges; they wrote the creeds to solve their own challenges, in their own contexts. So if [the] church fathers solved their own problems by finding answers in the Word of God, then the people who are working among the Muslims have to identify their own problems and even call councils to discuss the challenges and apologetic [issues] in these contexts.

How do you go about sharing the gospel in your context?

It is important to start [by asking], What is the purpose of preaching the gospel? We find our thinking in Acts 14:15, where Paul says, “We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.” So bringing the Good News to people is turning them back to their Creator God. Of course, we must do this in Isa, in Jesus, but we have to start just as Paul did, with the Creator God.

This is general revelation. If we destroy general revelation, there is no more special revelation. As far as I know, Paul directly addressed non-Jewish religions twice, and both times, he started with general revelation but ended up with Jesus, the ultimate revelation of God, as the one appointed by God the Creator to save people. The Book of Acts tells us that. But to believers, in the Epistles, he taught them that Jesus is divine. No one can say Jesus is Lord without the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:3).

Muslims believe there is a Creator of heaven and earth, and his name is Allah. If you tell a Muslim about the Creator of heaven and earth, but say that the Creator is not Allah, the Muslim will be very confused. What you are telling him is not good news.

We need a Muslim-focused church-planting strategy, a church that uses the terms and forms from their Muslim community, not something from other religious communities.

If you believe that even Muslims have received general revelation, then you have to start there. If you don’t believe this, you don’t believe your own [evangelical] theology. But if you come to them with good news, [to] restore their relationship with the Creator God, then you have to receive the name they have for him, Allah. If we say that the one they know as Allah is not God, we are not [speaking] against the religion of Islam, or Muhammad or Qur’an, but against the doctrine of general revelation. The missionary must first receive the name of the Creator God from the people, and then they have heavenly authority to give the people the name of the Savior, Isa al Masih.

How is this different from simply believing in the Muslim prophet Isa, as in the Qur’an?

Muslims believe that Isa is a prophet and messenger of Allah, but that he is superseded by Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. According to Islam, salvation is based on the teaching of Muhammad. But you still have something to start with in Islam. You start with their limited Christology and Christ’s role in the kingdom of God, mainly his role in the Day of Judgment. Muslims start to think from Islamic Christology, but they end up with Isa [as the one] who overcame the power of death. They progressively understand him, from prophet and messenger to Savior and then to Lord. But this takes time and the Holy Spirit, as it also did for Peter.

But while they are slowly coming to understand who Jesus is, why don’t you also slowly bring them into the Christian church?

It is possible for Muslim-background believers to join the existing church. But the evangelical church in my country represents a mixture of two religious forms, the Coptic Church and traditional religion.

If I say to Muslims, “Come to this church with me,” I am inviting them to a very strange thing. Also, this is saying to them that they do not deserve a church that connects with their community. This is why we need a Muslim-focused church-planting strategy, because it will produce a church that uses the terms and forms from their Muslim community, not something from other religious communities.

Many Christians in the West would agree that Muslim-focused evangelistic strategy is needed. But many of them also feel that a Muslim-focused church is going too far.

Why is it too far? All people have a church-planting strategy that fits their religious context. Why is there a [problem] when we come to Islam? So we ask, “Do Muslims deserve a church that fits their cultural context?” We are not trying to bring them into the already [existing] evangelical church. They should have a church that reflects their culture. Then we can say that we have an indigenous church, one that grows from the soil of the Muslim community. To “hook” one person into the evangelical church is possible. But the question is how we can fish with a net.

When you are talking to one person you [are also] talking to his community. He represents the whole community. What we say to one will go back to all the rest. So we want to reach a whole community and bring community transformation. The content of church is from heaven, but the form of the church should be from the ground, the culture. The church should reflect Muslim culture, not Muslim theology.

How do the people in your movement view Muhammad? Is there confusion?

First, we cannot rule out syncretism at the beginning of a new believer’s life. The purpose of discipleship is to separate their old beliefs from their new beliefs. So when they put their faith in Jesus, they may have at the same time Muhammad in their heart. But when they start to pray in the name of Isa for their own need, they experience joy, assurance, and peace. And when they pray in the name of Jesus and find people healed and demons cast out, they completely stop thinking about Muhammad. It is a process of the Holy Spirit.

[We should] categorize people in how they relate to Jesus: Where are these people, and where is Jesus in their life? We should ask, “Does this person accept Isa as Lord of their life?”

But what about Muhammad?

Before [they believe in Isa], Muslims acknowledge Muhammad as the final prophet of God. Then we tell them about Isa al Masih. They already know that Isa al Masih was a prophet that raised people from the dead. They know that Isa al Masih did miracles and that he will come as the sign of the Day of Judgment.

Even though they know all this, they are not intentionally thinking about Isa; they are thinking about Muhammad. But when we tell them the gospel, they begin to think about Isa intentionally as the one who will save them from the Day of Judgment, from Satan, from antichrist, from death.

At that point, they mix Muhammad with Isa al Masih. Before, Isa was not the issue. Muhammad was the issue. But when they hear about Isa, they start to bring Isa up to the level of Muhammad. Before, Muhammad was the one who controlled their life.But when they hear the Good News of the kingdom of God, they start to think about Isa. Now syncretism has started; before there was no syncretism. If missionaries don’t ever want problems with syncretism, then just leave them with Muhammad [grins].

But syncretism did not start with us. It started even in Paul’s time. That was the reason Paul wrote the Epistle to the Galatians. It is not [an] issue because we are Muslims; syncretism starts because people normally start with their own religious background. When people start to think about Isa intentionally, the Holy Spirit has room to lead them into all truth, even if they first mix Isa and Muhammad. The Holy Spirit through time will glorify Isa al Masih in their lives.

So after the new birth, the Holy Spirit begins to open their minds to understand more fully the Messiah.

Yes, of course. Before they believe in Jesus, the Holy Spirit will convict them about sin, righteousness, and judgment. As soon as they give their will to Jesus, they will receive the Holy Spirit and be born again and become a child of God. Then the Holy Spirit starts to live in them. Because the Holy Spirit lives in them, he will lead them to all [the] truth of Jesus. Then the Holy Spirit will give them revelation, and they will say that Jesus is Lord.

The [rest of the community] have started to think now, and they say, “Lial lial rasul Isa“—”These are the people of the messenger Isa.” They’ll say, “Who are these people? These people are not Christians. These people are not Muslims. Who are they? Let’s go and hear what they are thinking.” We explain as much as possible from the Bible. People ask us, “Who is Isa for you?” Our answer is, “He is the Word of Allah.” Then we quote from the Qur’an, but explain what the “Word of Allah” means from a biblical perspective.

If the Muslim community thinks the new believers “are not Christians and are not Muslims,” what do the new believers themselves think? What is their self-identity?

When they first come to believe in Isa, of course they still think [of themselves] as Muslims. What else could they think? We are not telling them they are now Christians.

But when they understand the gospel more clearly, they don’t want to have an Islamic religious identity. Yet they also do not want to let go of their cultural identity as Muslims, which naturally includes forms from their previous way of life and worship.

Where is Jesus in the life of the people in your movement, the People of the Gospel?

When people want to know our faith articles, we can tell them. But when it comes to individual people, we cannot say so easily, because they are not all on the same level. We find some people who say Jesus is God, some who understand that Jesus is the Savior. Others say he is the Word of Allah, without explanation, as they are struggling to understand what that means. Sometimes they understand Isa, other times they don’t. So we have to instruct them.

We have to teach them from the things that they already know. For example, some people may not [understand] if I tell them that Jesus died on their behalf. Islam has a different theology of sin; they don’t accept that Jesus died on their behalf. It is true that he died on their behalf, but it is not the only benefit [of Christ’s death].

When he died on the cross, he defeated death and the one who owned the power of death, Satan. And because God raised Jesus from the dead, he was appointed by God as a judge on the Day of Judgment, and the Savior from the Day of Judgment. The Cross is the answer for every [issue] in life. It is the solution regarding our relation to God, Satan, sin, death, and so on.

It is the evangelist’s responsibility to choose which benefit of the Cross is the answer for the spiritual needs a Muslim feels. Then gradually the Holy Spirit will explain the benefit of the Cross as it relates to their sin.

Muslims are afraid of evil spirits; they are afraid of the Day of Judgment. They are afraid of the Devil. I have a message from the kingdom of God that addresses all of these spiritual needs. So we are using the Muslim way of thinking about Isa, even if it is incomplete. If Muslims understand even one of these, they will call to Isa, and the Holy Spirit can lead them to understand more benefits of the Cross.

There are lots of opportunities in Islam; there are also lots of challenges. But the opportunities are bigger than the challenges. We must remember that it is not we who are bringing God to the Muslim people. He was already here.

23 thoughts on “Worshiping Jesus in Islam

  1. Come on, are you implying such practice is happening in Malaysia? If yes, please make a formal complaint and ask the authority to take action. Otherwise you are provoking the Muslim to go against the Christian. Malaysian Christian should be careful, you maybe the collateral damage in the mist of these Muslim in becoming the champion and defender of Islam in this country.

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    • Did you subconsciously feel guilty and then threatened this blog?

      Typical attitude of an aggressor.

      If we follow what you just have said, then the one that is provoking the Muslims to hate the Christians here is this interview in Christianity Today since the web portal is accessible worldwide.

      As for formal complaints, it has been done through the years here in Malaysia.

      This interview just opened your eyes on the activities on evangelicals in East Africa.

      Thank you.

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    • The subject raised is religion, but the way the bloke calling himself malaysian comments makes it political. So, political will my response be.

      I care less if the practice happens in Malaysia or not. The fact is abundantly clear: the Constitution of the country, Article 3, states that Islam is “the religion of the Federation”. A definite “the”. No other religion is mentioned. It means Islam has priority over any other religions. Over those that the Constitution says “may be practised in harmony”. Whether or not the practice happens in Malaysia, Muslims have the liberty to write anything to pre-empt such happening.

      Denying the superior position of Islam in this country will not bring harmony. Despite whatever pronouncements of rights, freedom and liberty in any other parts of the Constitution. Article 3 – high up on the Constitutional agenda – was not written there for the fun of it. Be very clear about that, you potential religious transgressor.

      There have been laws enacted pursuant to that Article 3 of the Constitution. Laws for the setting up of authorities for the administration of the Islamic religion. The Islamic Religious Department exists in every State of the Federation. They have the authority, the powers under the law. The Sultan is the Head of Islam in the State concerned. Anyone who doesn’t respect those are not respecting and living by the Constitution of the country. They should migrate to countries whose Constitution and laws they respect. No two-way about that.

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    • malaysian,

      Are you not yourself provoking the Muslims by implying Muslims in this country cannot raise such issues? And why do we have to make a formal complaint when talking in here is sufficient for the time being.

      Are you the DAP type? Everything you complain, and when the RoS asked you for full lists of your members, voting members, A list members etc, you threaten to sue the RoS? Kamon man, be reasonable, be patut lorr.

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    • Well researched. Although to me, if a person’s faith is strong then he/she will tend to stick to it. If they don’t, then it is a personal matter. Those who have converted into Islam or Christianity or Buddhism have their reasons for doing so. Whatever their path was – through reading, preaching, or even sinister guerrilla religious infiltration, ha ha, or even a combination of those – they’ve arrived at a destination. Maybe I don’t want to go there, but it’s not really my business.

      As long as they don’t do silly things in the name of their religion – and history shows that many “religions” or rather their “followers” do, e.g. mass genocide – I’m fine.

      I guess some will claim that mass genocide is actually on the agenda. Maybe we should get a grip on ourselves, and not play games of hysteria, then.

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      • I don’t know what mass genocide you are referring to. But the stupid George W Bush being dragged by the nose by the Zionist Israelis through the Israeli Lobby in the US etc into bombing Iraq on alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction which have not been found until now was genocide.

        While one doesn’t condone the Al Qaeda bombing of the Twin Towers in New York, one understands the reasons why the airplane hijackers sacrificed their lives to kill a few thousand American lives.

        Religious wars have taken place many times throughout history. The Christians under Roman Emperor Titus ransacked Jerusalem and burnt the Jewish Temple to the ground in AD90 and on the very same ground the Muslims later built the Al Aqsa Mosque from which Prophet Muhammad ascended to Heaven and returned “in the flick of the eye”, and the Jews now pray in front of the wall just outside the mosque.

        The Muslims under the Turkish rulers pushed the Christians who were well entrenched in the seat of their empire in Constantinople (now known as Ankara) and converted the Churches into mosques – still standing and a few in use until to day, and the Catholics are now based in the Vatican, in Rome. Part of the battle cry in Iraq etc may have come out under that kind of religious animosity. But let’s hope no more of Iraq War and such.

        Now it’s the 21st Century and the United Nations have been in existence for some 60 years. So, why don’t we follow international laws and the laws of the country we live in. No country’s laws encourage animosity among the various religious denominations. So, with the new year coming, I laud your statement, “it’s not really my business (to be involved in “sinister guerrilla religious infiltration”) and hope it’s not just “Maybe I don’t want to go there ..” but you won’t ever go there, as I also wouldn’t.

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        • I am very sceptical about the UN, and who actually controls it.

          I would rather that Malaysians sort things out for ourselves. And in one sense, I am not pessimistic about that. We generally can, and do, exercise good common sense towards each other.

          Beware only of politicians – and I’m talking to both sides here – who want to divide Malaysia for their own survival or future gain. They want to inflame us, make us point fingers, make us suspicious of each other. If we fall for it, they have won. And, in the process, we will lose the one thing that makes us genuinely unique as a nation.

          Here’s to a peaceful and united Malaysia in 2014.

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          • I agree with you. UN is controlled by the Big 5 – the Permanent Members of the Security Council. The most powerful being the US, the so-called Policemen of the World. Though their stance is more realistic under Obama, avoiding war in Syria and still trying peace with Iran.

            The Big 5 are powerful because victors dictated the terms on which the UN was founded – they won World War II and set up the UN – the body previous to that was the League of Nations. It could not prevent world wars – World War II broke out 18 years after the L of N was set up.

            Now the UN lasts over 60 years. But wars like the Iraq War occurred. Because of stupid George W Bush – dragged by the nose by the Jews, Neocons and Zionists of the Israeli Lobby in the US and Israel.

            But I think in Malaysia the politicians do not intentionally want to divide the country. They just think of their survival and future gain more than the interest of the country. But I am most disappointed at those ungrateful ingrates who do not respect the Constitution and live by it fully. May be discussed another time.

            Meanwhile, I’ll join you in wishing for a peaceful and united Malaysia for 2014.

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    • I’d love to hear any statements by the Roman Catholic Archbishop on the activities of the Evangelical Christians in this country or elsewhere. From Pakiam or whoever is the Archbishop now. But I think they won’t dare say anything. Hence the “Evangelista licik memurtadkan orang Islam” as stated above.

      I wonder if even the Pope at the Vatican has any say over the other Christian denominations. So many of them ran away from the Roman Catholic teachings over the 2,000 years of its existence. Several hundred years ago King Henry VIII of England broke away from the Roman Catholic authority in Rome because he wanted to marry another woman and the Pope did not give his consent on the divorce of his existing wife. He simply decreed that the Church of England from then on shall be responsible to him, and lts contacts with the Roman Catholic Church in Rome ceased.

      But when the Roman Catholics took up the case of the kalimah Allah, the Evangelistas were also licik in their condemnation of the Islamic religious authorities wanting the kalimah Allah be not used by the Christians in this country. And the DAP Jeffrey Ooi was alleged to have a meeting with Evangelista priests from Sabah and Sarawak in a hotel in Penang,a year or so ago, said to be wanting to ask for Christianity be made one of the official religions of the country – which of course simply cannot be allowed. .

      Yes, licik they are. In other parts of the world. too. Such that the undisclosed reason for the last Roman Catholic Pope in Rome to have resigned was said to be his huge regret and unhappiness at not being able to control or have effective influence on the so many Christian denominations (the Protestants alone have some 140 sects and sub-sects) that don’t follow the Roman Catholic Church teachings. One Evangelical church in Malaysia is even led by a homosexual who proudly announced to the mass media his going to US to marry his New York boyfriend last year.

      Alas, the Roman Catholics have their plate overflowing with problems. Wouldn’t it be nice if they voluntarily abandon the kalimah Allah issue and concentrate on solving their so many other problems.

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  3. Muslims must do away with ritualistic practice of Islam. They misunderstood the Quran. It isn’t about endless recitation of Quran, air jampi and saying prayer at every turn of the corner. It’s the way of life.

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    • What are you trying to say, dude? Are you a Muslim? What’s your intention in saying those? You want us to tell you to jump into the south China Sea?

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  4. On this day of joy for the Christians, I wish them joy. But I also wish to state what has been stated before. Time and again.

    Let’s all live peacefully and not encroach into one another’s territory. As has been said in an earlier comment, now it’s the 21st Century. We in Malaysia must think of building this nation in peace and prosperity. The arguments for the use of the kalimah Allah have even reached the Appeal Court. Let’s leave it to the Court to resolve it. And we follow the law. And don’t feel bad if any one says those who don’t like the laws of this country should migrate. Especially if they don’t like the Constitution, the highest set of laws of the land from which all other laws emanate and cannot contradict it.

    We must follow the laws of the country. All civilized people do. We must accept that Islam is the religion of this country. I don’t know of any attempts by the Muslims in this country to steal converts from any of the established religions of the world. Not even from the Orang Asli. So, others must do likewise.

    And nobody should try to convert others, subtly, obliquely or surreptitiously as stated in the blog post. Don’t try to change the status quo as far as religious adherents go. Even among non-Muslims. But certainly not on Muslims. Because the laws of the country also say its blatantly against the law to convert any Muslim in this country away from his/her faith.

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    • Article 3 of the Constitution says other religions may be “practised in harmony”. It is not practising Christianity in harmony if any Christian, individual or group, tries to gain converts from Muslims in this country.

      Muslims constitute slightly more than 60% of the population in this country – there are non-Malays who are Muslims, too. Attempting to convert Muslims is a big no no for obvious reasons, but even attempting to convert the Orang Aslis and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak are not acceptable as it means changing the status quo. I agree, don’t change the status quo.

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  5. To practice other religions “in harmony” as required under the Constitution, the Christians should not carry out missionary activities on others. Attempting to use the kalimah Allah in their Bahasa Malaysia Bible is obviously an attempt to get the Orang Asli and Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak to understand more and equate their God with the Muslim God.

    That cannot be, as the Christian God takes the form of the Trinity – The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. Whereas to the Muslims, Allah is the ONE AND ONLY God.

    It’s manifestly clear that the word Tuhan – which the the Orang Asli and Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak are familiar with – is sufficient for the ordinary, non-missionary, purpose. Why the intransigence? Why want to pursue the kalimah Allah issue right to the Federal Court. Yes, it’s their right, but they must remember and respect the Constitution Article 3 which states that other religions “may be practised in harmony”. Using the kalimah Allah that the 60% of the population of this country oppose is clearly not practicisng Christianity in harmony.

    Missionary activities may be carried out on their own existing believers. Like the Jews, they have for a long time ceased attempts to convert others to the Jewish faith. Their missionary activities are mainly to educate the young the value of the Jewish faith, to prevent their young from abandoning their faith due to marriage with non-Jews, enlightenment, etc.

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  6. No sooner said than the former Archbishop Pakiam was quoted as lambasting Najib regarding his speech in Penang asking for an end to Muslim-Christian hostility, asking Najib to withdraw the legal challenge against the Catholic Church’s use of kalimah ‘Allah.’

    He even went to the extent of “membangkit” Najib being schooled by the Catholics at St John Institution, KL, since primary school level.

    Doing so on Christmas day, too. What the ….

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  7. Please watch this documentary of the early origins of Jesus’ (a.s.) ministry that includes the involvement of his family in the Unitarian Jerusalem church. The Trinitarian dogma of Pauline Christianity has obliterated almost all traces of the spiritual legacy of the Patriarch James the Just, who was the brother of Jesus:

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    • Abdullah,

      On the basis of what you wrote, there is no reason why we should watch that documentary. This blog post is not about Jesus.

      Are you a Muslim/ a Malay ? There are many maqueraders these days. The fellows in the blog post are masquerading too, aren’t they?

      If there is anything relevant in the documentary, you have lost one customer – me. That’s your fault for not selling your product in your written words.

      But, if you are selling Jesus here, sorry, no go. I detest it as it’s out of topic and wasting everybody’s time – including the blog owner, I dare say – in here.

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      • This is not a product we are pushing, certainly not an idea you are supposed to buy. The title of this blog post definitely revolves around the figure of Jesus a.s.: “Worshipping Jesus in Islam”

        Now, why should we worship Jesus if he is not the Son of God, or participating in the Trinitarian Father- Son-Holy Ghost godhead? The first disciples of Jesus never exalted him as the Son of God. They were the reformed Jews of the Jerusalem Church led by James the Just. At that time the word “Christianity” had not been coined yet as the Jews were all worshippers of the One God Most High neither begetting nor begotten, who is “Allah, Eternal and Everlasting, like nothing in creation.” Therefore, the Roman Catholic Archbishop has no right to reiterate that “ALLAH” should be used in his Malay version bible wherein ALLAH is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost all together at once.
        Although you may detest this video documentary, it is hoped that other more sanguine persons will find in there something of rational proof that Jesus’ (a.s.) disciples actually understood their master to be a reformer of Judaism who came to revivify the Mosaic Law with the gifts of spiritual graces.

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  8. It’s really up to God if he wants to guide you or lead you astray. Not for humans to decide. He can even turn you children into lunatic if he wants to. We really have no control except to seek guidance.
    Faith is a personal matter. There are some muslims who believe that islam is not even a religion.that is why there are various warnings about people who profess religion in the holy books. These holy books actually warned people about religion. It says you deal directly with God. Put your faith and trust in God. It is not religion but a system that was mentioned in the holy books.
    So Why de malays so kaypoh want sibuk sibuk masuk campur personal poblem? The bumiputras of sabah and sarawak have the right to practice their faith freely and in peace in the peninsular. The fact that selangor has enacted an oppressive law supported by the ruler is shameful. Just recently, my bumi christian friend has resigned from Petronas because the muslim malays refuse to cooperate with him in terengganu. The situation has turned malays into bigots and hateful.and the christian iban bartender now hates malay muslims. This is what the situation has created. Divided the country.
    Shame !shame!shame!
    I wish the sarawak and sabah bn component pull out of BN and create a coalition of their own. This third force of liberals and right minded people will gains supported from 1/3 of the peninsular population i estimate. Enough to put those laws which oppress and suppress revoked in the next election if it works.

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