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Two faced Anwar Ibrahim and the infamous Wall Street Journal article

Anwar’s latest skulduggery came in a few hours ago in his blog when he desperately trying to clear his name against his position on Israel.

The blog post is titled – ‘Jangan Putar belit Kenyataan Demi Fitnah’ (Don’t twist my statement just to slander me)

Saya diwawancara oleh Wall Street Journal pada hari Khamis, 26hb Januari 2011. Antara soalan yang ditanya kepada saya adalah berkaitan dasar luar negara dan isu Palestin. Saya tuntas menegaskan bahawa kemahuan dan hak rakyat Palestin mesti dibela dan itu merangkumi hak untuk mendirikan negara sendiri serta tidak terus dizalimi. Saya juga mengungkapkan bahawa jika syarat ini dipenuhi maka wajarlah hak rakyat Israel juga dihormati.

Translation: “I stressed that the needs and rights of the Palestinian people must be guarded and that includes the right to establish their own country and not to be further victimised.”

Anwar Ibrahim changed his opinion 180 degrees in a split second after he is being criticised for being a stooge for the Americans and for supporting Israel.

Let us be clear that this latest statement to clear his name means absolutely nothing simply because the statement in bold above was not in the original Wall Street Journal article. If it is not there, then he would have not said it at all in the first place.

In the WSJ article, nothing was said about guarding the needs of Palestinian people or their rights to established a Palestinian country. No such thing was mentioned.

What Anwar Ibrahim should have done is to get WSJ to run full transcript of his interview. Or at the very least (since he is in the mood of suing everyone these days), to sue WSJ for tarnishing his image among his Muslim supporters and slandering him to be Israel’s number one fan!

The fact is ladies and gentlemen, this latest statement which was made in Bahasa Malaysia, was made purely to allay the fears of the Muslim Malays here in Malaysia.

At the end of that statement, he even strengthened this deceit by giving a warning to those who tries to twist his earlier interview. But we all know, nobody is pushing him to voluntarily make that interview and nobody is twisting anything.

We can take his words from the WSJ story word by word without changing anything and the result is still the same. He sealed his own fate with his own actions.

His latest blog posting was just a cover up to assuage his supporters.

It seems that the astute analysis by The Economist back in July 2009 is true after all; that Anwar Ibrahim IS a chameleon.

Anwar will play by the gallery since that is his second nature. He will say one thing to an audience. And will say a complete opposite to another audience.

In Malaysia, his Pakatan Rakyat says that they will protect the Malay rights, but in WSJ he said he would speed up the removal of racial quotas for university places.

Wiggling his way to be the next PM

To the world he lambasted us by saying the elections in Malaysia is dirty and not free and fair. But he did not tell them that his PKR party just witnessed the dirtiest party elections ever conducted which resulted in an exodus a few strong supporters in the form of Zaid Ibrahim and Haris Ibrahim.

I reinforce my assertion from my previous article; that Anwar is not in the correct state of mind to lead this nation.

Maybe he should make another trip overseas to get further instructions from his masters before they can pat him on his derriere and return him here with fresh directives on what to do next.

And just like how he ended his attempt to cover up his motives and ulterior motives, I shall end this article with the same words albeit with a slight change.

“Justeru saya memberi amaran keras kepada Anwar Ibrahim jangan cuba menjadi talam dua muka dalam memutar belit kenyataan-kenyataan beliau sendiri hanya kerana untuk mendapatkan kuasa.”

Thank you.

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65 thoughts on “Two faced Anwar Ibrahim and the infamous Wall Street Journal article

  1. Those that is not blind have known his aversion to play to whichever audience of the day. Those who are blind continues to be blind even if they can see his act, choose to be deaf even though they can hear the lies and choose to be mute even though they can speak what is actually the truth.


  2. Assalamualaikum Jebat

    For me, his statement is only to persuade his “master” to gave more financial assistant as his Bank Account can’t support his extravagant PR13 expenditure. hehe i wonder is he more indian then indian? puttttttar alam king!


  3. Compare this chameleon with his former mentor. Even when grilled and lambasted by BBC’s Hardtalk, Dr. Mahathir stood his ground.

    How lucky we are not to have this brader as our PM.


    • hehehe…i saw this before and now after seeing it again i can’t help but still laugh at stephen sackur. he was eager to attack Dr M on his stance on israel and the jews thinking that no way this old man has the balls to attack them in world stage, at prime time and in the heart of a western capital…how wrong was he! the old man was only to happy to repeat what he said at the oic conference, its the perfect stage to hentam the jews again. realising his mistake, sackur just abruptly cut the topic and never mention it again! after that, i totally lost respect for the bbc – they have no balls!


        • I actually like Stephen. I believe that’s how a real interview should be done. Grill the person with serious and difficult questions so you can’t shimmy around and give half baked answers.

          Before the interview I had no worries about Dr.M though. He’s pure class. Stood his ground. Didn’t avoid questions and also had a lot of fight in him.

          Try to imagine if Pak Lah instead was being interviewed. Horrifying….

          If it were Anwar, he’d shape-shift and change colors constantly….


  4. “Twisting his statements”…? In fact, HE is doing a good job of this himself – punya kuat dok putar belit sampai dah terjerut tengkok sendiri HAHA!

    Your caption “Wiggle his way” – as in “bontot” ke? Memang appropriate!

    By the way, whatever happened to the Omega that “his wife was keeping”? Bila orang tanya, MARAH. He should come up with something better. Like “Rosak la…tengah dok service.”


    • wow dumno pulak. the level of intelligence of oppositions supporter. Trying to coin a new word and hoping it will be used everywhere. lol.

      please tell us which part of the article is sad Sshsn. From where the MAJORITY of the public, who can read english and bahasa malaysia, clearly understand what anwar said from the interview.

      please humour us your holiness. Show us the the sad part so we wont be sad no more.


      • Oh, this is just about the limit of the DAP’s snakes in the form of its two-bit cybertroopers. They are totally incapable of more than a line, and often their ‘comments’ are just childish rants.

        Regardless of what he is, these chauvinist snakes need Anwar in their cause to drive the BN and Umno from power…and kick Malays to the kampung. For Anwar that’s okay…as long as he becomes the PM.


    • Dumno,Umgok,umNO,Yes Man…Keep em coming with your wise retorts.People like u resemble the real Pakatan supporter.Full of passionate anger but zero logics and knowledge.loves shouting and threatens opponents but have no freaking clue what goes around you and in front of u.Sorry,i just have to say this.


      • Many Pakatan supporters are gays, lesbians, pondans, pengkids, psychopaths, S&S ativists, delusional and if they men, got no balls. As for the women, who are mostly from Pas, are suffering from hormonal imbalance. These are my clinical findings, as a layman.


    • I have heard of so many Anwar Ibrahim jokes. The one I like best is this: The story was on the day Anwar was invited to have tea with the Queen and receive his knighthood at Buckingham Palace.
      So Anwar went to Buckingham Palace but before giving the knighthood, the Queen, accompanied by Prince Philip, invited Anwar and his aides, including Azmin Ali, to go for a walk on the palace grounds.
      Before that though Anwar was briefed on protocol. That to receive the knighthood, he must kneel before the Queen and be touched with the sword on the shoulder. When he the heard that, Anwar giggled and said to himself: “For once, I am the one who needs to bend down!”.
      Anwar was also told that he and his entourage must walk a few paces behind the Queen and Prince Philip. So the walk started and after about 20m, Anwar was overheard saying: “Wow, what a nice bum.”
      The Queen, flattered that at her age she could still earn some admiration from a man, then said to one of her aides. “Mr Anwar is a man of fine taste.”
      Until the aide pointed out: “But Maam, Mr Anwar was not referring to Your Majesty. He was admiring the bum of Prince Philip.”
      Hearing that, the angry Queen put on her stiff upper lip and said curtly: “We are not amused.” She promptly cancelled the knighthood ceremony and ordered Anwar and his gang out of Buckingham Palace and told her staff never to allow Mr Anwar to be invited there again.
      So no knighthood for Anwar. The episodes is one of many bums…ooops, bumps, in his political career.


      • Anwar had never visited Wales or Scotland, though he has been to London countless times.
        When asked by reporters why Anwar had declined the invites to meet the Welsh and Scottish people, Anwar blushed and said he didn’t like the way the Welsh and Scots, thick and proud of theiraccents, loved to call his name.
        And how did the Welsh and Scot mention Anwar’s name?
        The aide replied: These stupid Welsh and Scottish people keep calling my boss, Mr Anus!


  5. Dear sir.

    Actually, the WSJ’s report is quite crafty, neither here nor there kind of thing. Reading it objectively, he did stop short of saying diplomatic ties will be established but clearly stated that he supports all efforts to protect the security of the state of Israel, but contingent upon Israel supporting the aspirations of Palestinians. This is a double entendre to me, which can give different meanings to those who read it, the way they want to read and understand it.

    My interpretation is that he supports Israel to exist as a state but must respect the aspirations of the Palestinians (menghormati aspirasi orang Palestin). This is a strange position for a self-styled liberal Islamist leader (i think) that he calls himself. Why support an oppressive entity such as Israel? This would mean that in his opinion, the two state policy that he is talking about is not something he is after. Protect Israel but Israel (as a state) but look at Palestinians as people, not originating from a state I don’t get this, I am no diplomat but the language he uses is very crafty… and no, he is not a gift from anyone to this country.


    • Very crafty indeed…isn’t the aspiration of the palestinians is to totally get rid of the aggressors who illegally occupied their land? can’t see how israelis can support this…

      he’s being ambiguous to fool those who think he is anugerah tuhan and at the same time not offend his jewish masters. I feel that if he is sincere, it should have been ” I support the security of the state of Palestine” first and not the other way around!


      • good onw mate.couldnt agree more.its as if protecting the soverignity of Israel is a bigger priority than helping Palestine to gain what is theirs.Its like a celebrity with their sponsors.Sponsors are always the first name they throw out to the public.


    • dear warmaran…
      what i understood from reading the WSJ report is.. Awnar was implying taht any initiative to establish diplomatic relationship with israel is contingent Israel respecting the aspirations of the Palsetinians.
      that is understandable. We can live with that.

      But as for supporting all efforts to protect the security of Israel it was never contingent on anything. It was a blanket support from Anwar.This is the irony.

      Anwar apparently is concerned about the security of Israel we all know to have hundreds of nuclear warhead among its arsenals, not to mention the most sophiscated warplane and tanks as compared to the security of Palestines which at most is using old AK47 and only rocks to throw at the Jews army whenever they have to protect themselves from the carnage of Israel state terrorism.


  6. If Allah wills it Anwar will be the PM of Malaysia. Be prepared for a decade of disorder, instability and economic decline. Be prepared for puppet regime type of governance ala Mubarak et al or worse because Malaysia ethnic-religous mix may find it difficult to find a new equlibrium. Be prepared to lose a whole generation before a Malaysian spring. We may possibly start afresh from where Myanmar is now. It’s OK with me for I am 64 and have had a good life and I commend the current generation for being willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of a better future. For without them we will continue to ignorant and foolish.


  7. And suddenly, it flashes across my conscience the following verse from the Qur’an:-

    “And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you”.
    – al-Baqarah 2:14


  8. Actually the plot is simple. But yet still very licik, his trademark.

    He goes to the outside world and makes the orang putih happy-probably for more support come this near election

    When balik kampung, the reban ayam, he gives the standard rhetorics to deny this and that knowing very well that over time people forgets. He has survived so much havoc – this is chicken feed

    He pulled this tricks many a times already.

    A very small price to pay for the happiness of the orang putih.

    He knows that he is VVIP glue sticking the many creatures of opposing natures. He will be OK so long the machais do the job. People will support him because there are many greedy people out there who wants something out of him. Moreover, his agents(sleeping or active) planted long time ago are everywhere.
    Very licik


  9. Sadly to say that, especially our brothers and sister from Parti Adat dan sOkan have to wait for a penjelasan from this New Imam. to show their stand. i have expected it to be so.

    No…the actual article and video are not to be taken as a reference.
    Believe in Anwar… dah jadi macam Rukun Iman yang pertama.
    So sad indeed.


  10. JMD,

    Here’s another Posted for the benefit of his Malay reading audience.

    “Ini merupakan rencana asal dari The Washington Post yang kemudiannya digunakan Utusan Malaysia untuk menuduh kunjungan Dato’ Seri Anwar Ibrahim ke Amerika Syarikat sebagai memujuk pihak Yahudi. Namun Utusan Malaysia gagal mengungkapkan perkara mustahak yang terkandung dalam artikel tersebut, iaitu, Dato’ Seri Anwar tuntas mengkritik bahawa Kerajaan Israel bertindak melampau.”

    I cannot find anything in the posted article that “Dato’ Seri Anwar tuntas mengkritik bahawa Kerajaan Israel bertindak melampau.”

    Thank you


  11. Anwar will continue to lie and manipulate…and his dumb supporters will continue to believe him. Nothing new. To the majority of the people who can think has realized long time ago about this chameleon.

    That is the reason Anwar has to find new dumb people to support him. Now he has gone to the undergraduates to recruit new morons.



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  14. It proof that
    1) Anwar is not interested in malaysian affair
    2) Anwar is only interested in talking about religious pluralisme and appeasing the jews who supplant him with unimaginable amount of fund for his political movement in malaysia.
    3) Like Raja Petra said, Anwar spent too many times a year traveling around the world talking about trivial and bulls**t issues.
    4) Anwar has no interest in developing the malaysian nation. His objective is only to make the jews happy so he will get the support from the world media and help him win the election in malaysia.


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  16. he’s a first class chameleon
    he knew that majority of his supporters and worshipers are idiots.these idiots consist of Lebais and Ostats from Parti Adat & Sukan, gays and homos from P Gay R party, Mahasisewels hoping to be his anak ikan, and also average kampung dungus-self proclaimed professionals.its not their fault that they cant understand the article in WSJ.they’re idiots afterall.

    DAP is not stupid.they knew this aljubs are pure class act.but they gained a political mileage by befriending his arse.soon as their wet dreams of “Malaysia Baru” becomes reality, first thing is they gonna put this sorry jubs in jail.


  17. Well, what do you expect from those who watch him on TV, news paper, life ceramah, even having face to face meeting with him but cannot recognized a look alike man in a 17 minutes video. You guys must be expecting too much from his followers.


  18. Uhm.

    You know, I had been a non-partisan for quite years and as Datuk Seri Anwar spoke more, I changed. Changed to UMNO. A for heaven sake’s truest in terms of principle, though not as Islamic as PAS is, even if they are.

    Datuk Anwar Ibrahim, no matter how perplexed his mind and strategies are, he’ll get strangled by them sooner or later. That’s God’s way. You lie, you cheat and you’ll be suffering the aftermath.

    I don’t buy such things like, he committed sodomy as a refutation towards his reputation. I thought he was just as holy as any religious peacemaker would be. Reading this and the comments posted, my mind twisted 180 degree.


  19. JMD,

    I know you are one of the notorious bloggers who engage in Anwar bashing. Hence now you took this opportunity to inflict more damage on him.Any way it is well known that Anwar has some Jewish friends who had helped him in his hour of need after being sacked from the govt and released from prison on trumped up charges. Is it wrong for him to say that Israel has the right of protection. This is simply b’cos the arabs deny the existence of the land of Israel . For thousands of years the Jews were victims of oppression. For a time in the 2nd century BCE the Jews succeeded in creating a nominally independent kingdom covering much of the biblical ” Land of Israel “, but by the end of the 1st century BCE this was absorbed into the Roman empire . A series of revolts against the Romans led to the forced dispersal of much of the Jewish population, and it was not until the 19th century and the growth of the nationalist Jewish Zionist movement that large-scale migration began the return of large numbers of Jews. This movement culminated in the 20th century with the creation of the present State of Israel.
    But ironically, the muslim arabs are against the creation of Israel . The Jews were the bumiputras of Israel , the bible was born there about 4500 years ago. They were the victims of MIGHT. They realised the importance of MIGHT after the annihilation of 6 million Jews in the German Holocaust. Now no country on the planet can touch them. I don’t know the rationale of the muslims in calling the Jews laknatullah and all sorts of names. Prophet Mohd couldn’t convert the Jews to Islam—simply b’cos the Jews were a super intelligent race on the planet. They knew Prophet Mohd’s so called Islam contains almost 70% of the contents of the Bible. Why not, 12 out of the 13 prophets in Islam are Jews. Since muslims hate the Jews so much, just read the article below wrote by an eminent Muslim:-
    Why Are Jews So Powerful?
    Dr Farrukh Saleem
    There are only 14 million Jews in the world; seven million in the Americas , five million in Asia, two million in Europe and 100,000 in Africa . For every single Jew in the world there are 100 Muslims. Yet, Jews are more than a hundred times more powerful than all the Muslims put together. Ever wondered why?
    Jesus of Nazareth was Jewish. Albert Einstein, the most influential scientist of all time and TIME magazine’s ‘Person of the Century’, was a Jew. Sigmund Freud — id, ego, superego — the father of psychoanalysis was a Jew. So were Paul Samuelson and Milton Friedman.
    Here are a few other Jews whose intellectual output has enriched the whole humanity: Benjamin Rubin gave humanity the vaccinating needle. Jonas Salk developed the first polio vaccine. Alert Sabin developed the improved live polio vaccine. Gertrude Elion gave us a leukaemia fighting drug. Baruch Blumberg developed the vaccination for Hepatitis B. Paul Ehrlich discovered a treatment for syphilis (a sexually transmitted disease). Elie Metchnikoff won a Nobel Prize in infectious diseases.
    Bernard Katz won a Nobel Prize in neuromuscular transmission. Andrew Schally won a Nobel in endocrinology (disorders of the endocrine system; diabetes, hyperthyroidism). Aaron Beck founded Cognitive Therapy (psychotherapy to treat mental disorders, depression and phobias). Gregory Pincus developed the first oral contraceptive pill. George Wald won a Nobel for furthering our understanding of the human eye. Stanley Cohen won a Nobel in embryology (study of embryos and their development). Willem Kolff came up with the kidney dialysis machine.
    Over the past 105 years, 14 million Jews have won 15-dozen Nobel Prizes while only three Nobel Prizes have been won by 1.4 billion Muslims (other than Peace Prizes).
    Why are Jews so powerful? Stanley Mezor invented the first micro-processing chip. Leo Szilard developed the first nuclear chain reactor. Peter Schultz, optical fibre cable; Charles Adler, traffic lights; Benno Strauss, Stainless steel; Isador Kisee, sound movies; Emile Berliner, telephone microphone and Charles Ginsburg, videotape recorder.
    Famous financiers in the business world who belong to Jewish faith include Ralph Lauren (Polo), Levis Strauss (Levi’s Jeans), Howard Schultz (Starbuck’s), Sergey Brin (Google), Michael Dell (Dell Computers), Larry Ellison (Oracle), Donna Karan (DKNY), Irv Robbins (Baskins & Robbins) and Bill Rosenberg (Dunkin Donuts).
    Richard Levin, President of Yale University, is a Jew. So are Henry Kissinger (American secretary of state), Alan Greenspan (fed chairman under Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush), Joseph Lieberman, Maxim Litvinov (USSR foreign Minister), David Marshal (Singapore’s first chief minister), Issac Isaacs (governor-general of Australia), Benjamin Disraeli (British statesman and author), Yevgeny Primakov (Russian PM), Barry Gold water, Jorge Sampaio (president of Portugal), John Deutsch (CIA director), Herb Gray (Canadian deputy PM), Pierre Mendes (French PM), Michael Howard (British home secretary) and Robert Rubin (American secretary of treasury).
    In the media, famous Jews include Wolf Blitzer ( CNN ), Barbara Walters (ABC News), Eugene Meyer ( Washington Post ), Henry Grunwald (editor-in-chief Time), Katherine Graham (publisher of The Washington Post ), Joseph Lelyyeld (Executive editor, The New York Times), and Max Frankel (New York Times).
    At the Olympics, Mark Spitz set a record of sorts by wining seven gold medals. Lenny Krayzelburg is a three-time Olympic gold medalist. Spitz, Krayzelburg and Boris Becker are all Jewish.
    Did you know that Harrison Ford, George Burns, Tony Curtis, Charles Bronson, Sandra Bullock, Billy Crystal, Paul Newman, Peter Sellers, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Douglas, Ben Kingsley, Kirk Douglas, Cary Grant, William Shatner, Jerry Lewis and Peter Falk are all Jewish? As a matter of fact, Hollywood itself was founded by a Jew. Among directors and producers, Steven Spielberg, Mel Brooks, Oliver Stone, Aaron Spelling ( Beverly Hills 90210), Neil Simon (The Odd Couple), Andrew Vaina (Rambo 1/2/3), Michael Man (Starsky and Hutch), Milos Forman (One flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest), Douglas Fairbanks (The thief of Baghdad ) and Ivan Reitman (Ghostbusters) are all Jewish.
    To be certain, Washington is the capital that matters and in Washington the lobby that matters is The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC. Washington knows that if PM Ehud Olmert were to discover that the earth is flat, AIPAC will make the 109th Congress pass a resolution congratulating Olmert on his discovery.
    William James Sidis, with an IQ of 250-300, is the brightest human who ever existed. Guess what faith did he belong to?
    So, why are Jews so powerful? Answer: Education.
    The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist

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    • Excuse me brother … i think your fact saying that Nabi Isa a.s is jews is wrong.. he is a never a jew so does the 12 prophets that you mentioned earlier….none of our prophets are jews..Please check your fact..

      please read this.. if you cant go asked someone to do it for u… stop twisting the facts…

      Nabi ‘Isa ‘alaihissalam dan Nabi-Nabi lain yang sebangsa dengan Baginda; ‘alaihimussalatu wassalam, bukan dari kalangan Yahudi walaupun mereka berbangsa Bani Israel.

      Yahudi bukan pengenalan satu-satu rumpun bangsa tetapi ianya adalah satu bentuk carahidup berideologi atau kepercayaan kesukuan ‘asobiyyah suku kaum tertentu dalam Bani Israel yang sempit yang dicampur-aduk dengan kepercayaan khusus Agama Yahudi yang telah memalsukan Kitab Taurat / Torah, atau, mereka yang berpegang kepada kepercayaan terhadap salah satu dari 2 jenis nilai kepercayaan tersebut, yakni samaada; menegakkan faham kesukuan ‘asobiyyah Bani Israel ataupun menegakkan Agama Yahudi yang mengikuti Kitab Taurat yang dipalsukan oleh suku Yahudi.


  20. According to what he said

    “I support all efforts to protect the security of the state of Israel,” said Mr. Anwar, although he stopped short of saying he would open diplomatic ties with the Jewish state, a step which he said remains contingent on Israel respecting the aspirations of Palestinians”

    The current major problem in Palestine is that Israel is continuously building settlements in Palestinian land. What Mahmud Abbas trying to do is to create an independent state of Palestine via Israel and Palestine state solution.

    By doing that then the settlements will have to be stopped as Palestine will be able to bring this matter to ICJ (International Court of Justice) as what we did in the Pulau Batu Putih.

    In order to create a two state solution then it is required that Palestine must recognized Israel and vice versa including the rights for security for both nation.

    That is what Anwar is saying, is it not?

    What Anwar is saying relate to the current dynamics of Israel-Palestinian issue while what we are arguing is more relating to the political climate in this country oblivious to what is happening in the middle east.

    What is happening right now is that Palestine have upgraded its membership to an observer country status in UN as in September 2011. The full membership applied in the same month was not successful as it vetoed by US.

    The direction Palestine is going to to be a independent state as per 1967 border and doing so it will have to recognized Israel as well as its right of security in the middle east.

    By the way,

    Jebat do not have to die. Hang Tuah hold the Taming Sari, therefore he is untouchable. He can negotiate a peace treaty to end the conflict rather then end his best friend life who are avenging him. A very tragic tale for me not an inspiring one.

    Orang Johor


    • Very illuminating comment. But it is based on the assumption that Israel will adopt whatever decision that the ICJ or any international body will make – and this is where the whole argument breaks down. Oslo peace accord was agreed and ratified a few times but that doesn’t seem to stop the israelis increasing its illegal settlements, using phosporous bombs, shooting at children etc..

      Similiar to the observer country status in the UN. While I am happy that it shows that a lot of country are supporting Palestine, everyone knows that it is just a symbolic gesture. As long as US of A holds veto power and stands behind israel, Palestine will never be recognized as a full member so what is the point of this line?

      Since anwar has lots of influential jews that he calls ‘friend’, maybe he should put that to good use and at least convince them to let some basic supplies into Palestine or at least to stop shooting at Palestinian children. But instead he chose to “support the security of the state of israel” and that is the beef that we have with him.

      Also, if he meant something else, then why not just say it plain and simple? He is not nostradamus…. the whole thing about “he meant this or that” is frankly just rhetoric and noise and have more to do about his personal politics than you might suggest.


  21. Adam, with reference to your comment,

    The Oslo accords is an agreement between Israel and PLO. Israelis will break it whenever it wishes.

    Now the ICJ is totally a new ball game. It is the establishment where the majority of the countries settle their dispute. Like we did in the case of Pulau Batu Putih with Singapore. The decision by ICJ will definitely carry more weight compared from the accords between the two countries.

    If ICJ ruled out that the settlements is illegal, then it is very unlikely that Israel will built new settlements. If Israel do this then ICJ will risk losing credibility. The rest of the world will not want that.

    Prior to this, Palestine will not be able to bring illegal settlements issue to ICJ as they are not a member of UN, that is why Palestine applied for a full membership. They are aware that it is going to be vetoed by US but they continue anyway to as to gain recognition by the rest of the world. They got that, Palestine received 69% of votes in the UN. Palestine have also upgraded to observer status.

    Although not as full member status in UN, with an observer status, Palestine will still be able to pursue its case in the ICJ.

    As you know, Palestinian do not have a lot of options to resolve this matter.

    The direction they are taking right now is to have a two state solution and with that, they have to recognized Isreal. If not, then Isreal will built more and more settlements.

    With relation to this article , in my opinion, most are taking a very personal view of AI rather then consider the recent dynamics of the Palestinian issue.

    The bottom line is actually the welfare of the Palestinian.

    Now if you look into the statement by AI, it is cut in half. The latter part of it is discarded. This is not right whatever the personal view towards this man.

    In my opinion, it is the latter part of the statement which is significant, not the first one.

    By the way.

    Relating to this blog, I am still not happy why Jebat must die. I have read somewhere that Tun Dr. M mentioned that Hang Tuah was not a good leader since he killed his fellow Hang.

    We should upgrade our moral standard to become better people.


    • Jebat has to die. He is a fighter not a leader. running amok and try to kill everyone or we called it today as taking revenge is not a treat of a good leader. more like a treat of a good serial killer. If jebat were to rule with hang tuah, he would be even worse, probably worse than anuar. that is why hang tuah is a good leader where even though jebat upholds the brotherhood’s promise of killing the people who betray their brotherhood, Tuah took one step further by stopping the killing of the (whether innocence or not) people of malacca because of a person not of a race or country.
      I guess what tun M should have said, was Tuah not a good leader but a great one!

      JMD : 🙂

      But to be fair, Tun M did say both Hang Tuah AND Hang Jebat weren’t good leaders. My first time meeting the Tun as JMD started off at the wrong foot when he chastised me by asking why would Jebat had to die. I explained that between the two, I preferred Tuah. He then quipped that Tuah was cruel for killing his best friend. I answered – well that is one of the opinions people have. But if we go back to the writings in Sejarah Melayu (not Hikayat Hang Tuah), Jebat did (as you rightly put forward Cam), killed innocent people in his revenge spree. One of them is his own girlfriend (one of the dayangs) where he killed in cold blood and the body laid naked and split opened in the palace for a few days. That was an interesting ice-breaker I had with Tun several years ago during a chance meeting at a Free Palestine campaign.


  22. Correct me if I am wrong, in Sejarah Melayu, it is Hang Kasturi that were killed by Hang Tuah not Hang Jebat.

    There is a major contradiction in Sejarah Melayu and Hikayat Hang Tuah on the major plot of the stories. How can we believe further on the other details such as Jebat kill thousands?

    These are the facts of story that required to verified by historian. Lately, one historian argue that Hang Tuah is just a myth. So far no historian (not the average people) had come forward to challenge his statement properly.

    I am actually more concerned on the moral point of view. This, I think is more important.

    Supposing, after serving the nation so long and so bravely. Then, you are wrongly accused of something, ( because of a woman!). You were condemn by death without just cause. You best friend then avenge you. Would you kill your best friend?

    I would certainly not.

    If I am Hant Tuah, I would go to Hang Jebat. If he truly run amok, then I would ask him to stop. Pack our begs and then leave the country. Everything then settles. I will not kill him no matter what.

    Who is going to stop me? I got the Taming Sari, right?

    To me there is nothing inspiring about the existing stories. It is a very “tragic” story that someone have to kill his best friend and not forgetting, the friend who was avenging him in the first place.

    I am with Tun in this matter. Hang Tuah was cruel to kill his best friend.

    My concern is that, if Hang Tuah become an icon in this country, then his cruelty will be mimic by our generation. In short, Hang Tuah standard of morality is questionable.

    We want to have a society with conscience, good moral standard, most importantly relating to the Hang Tuah- Hang Jebat story, friends who help each other in brotherhood spirit, not the other way round.

    Therefore, Hang Jebat do not need to die.


    • Hmm.. not sure what are you rambling on about. Never in history lessons that I know where Hang Tuah story teaches all the generations that came after him on how to be cruel. The overarching lesson was to be loyal, strong and as you said it – conscience, good moral standard and friends who help each other in brotherhood, as opposed to Jebat’s evil deeds. Since you do not believe in any of the history books, then these were the moral lessons told from one generation to the next regarding Hang Tuah’s deeds. Did Malaysians become cruel because they mimic Hang Tuah? Any of your Malay friends and forefathers the cruel sorts?

      So what is your beef? Since you disbelieve the history books anyway, just hold on to these moral values. Is that not good enough?

      Your argument panders from disbelieving the alleged discrepancies/contradiction of Sejarah Melayu and Hikayat Hang Tuah to believing the moral lessons (which incidentally came from the stories from the history books you do not want to believe in).

      Anyway, just for info, Hang Jebat rebelled against the Sultan a year after Tuah was sentenced to death. We thought a best friend would avenge immediately. But that wasn’t an avenge plot. Jebat was way over his head in the absence of Tuah since he was the main beneficiary of Tuah’s ‘demise’. He enjoyed tremendously being a Laksamana. But that was before Tuah came back from the dead a year later.

      At the end of the day, this is my opinion after reading the books. You have yours. You and your friend Jebat can go off leaving your responsibilities and duties in Melaka with Taming Sari in hand. Some people opted to stay and perform their duties as entrusted to them. Have a nice day. Don’t be cruel now.


      Thank you.


    • Why is the story about Anwar Ibrahim deviated into a story about Hang Jebat and Hang Tuah?

      Unless of course subconsciously all the fans of Anwar Ibrahim know that Anwar is like Jebat during his madness episode of being a traitor to the government (Sultan) and engaged in lewd acts of pre marital coitus with the girls in Sultan’s palace.

      Obviously death is the penalty. Do not be naive to think that Jebat did that for revenge on his friend’s purported execution because for all sense and purpose, Jebat did not even beg the Bendahara or Sultan to spare Tuah’s life. I re-read the book and no mention of Jebat’s sadness.

      In fact Jebat was more than happy to become the next Laksamana.

      Only after some time, (a few chapters passed including a trip to China by a Malacca entourage and Hang Li Po came to Malacca) did Jebat was caught red handed doing his misdeeds in the palace.

      Penalty of zina was death. Maybe they use hudud at that time. Who better to execute Jebat than a warrior stronger and cunning than him (Tuah)?

      All this effort trying to degrade HT and revere HJ is sickening. If you are wrong and committed sins, you should be put to death. What now? Jebat should be spared even after he f***** someone’s dayang?

      All you Jebat lovers are crazy lunatics.


  23. Where did it say in Sejarah Melayu that Hang Jebat rebelled against Sultan a year later nor anything about 1000 people parish because of Hang Jebat?

    By the way, it is not Hang Jebat , Hang Kasturi is the one who was in a duel wtih Hang Tuah.
    Only one person died in the hand of Hang Kasturi.

    This you can refer to SeJarah Melayu.

    If you refer Sejarah Melayu, the details is not very believable. A hero do not stab a friend in the back.

    Since the details is somewhat questionable, what we have is only the plot that most people belief. In this plot we have,

    1. Unjust ruler who sentence Hang Tuah to death for a crime he did not commit. (Unjust ruler also slain the whole family of Hang Kasturi who were innocent – Sejarah Melayu)
    2. Hang Jebat (Kasturi) avenge Hang Tuah.
    3. Hang Tuah is actually still alive.
    4. Hang Tuah follow the order of unjust ruler to have his friend killed.

    The “beef” in my concern is that, what is the moral of the story? We should follow our ruler even it is unjust and forsaken our brothers?

    There will come a time in everyone’s life to choose between his fellow friend or his self interest. In our society, in particular our malay society there are too many times that friend betray fellow friends because of own self interest.

    In politics as you are aware, politician changes sides like changing clothes and they are willing to betray their friends for a price.

    You ask me, what is my beef, my beef is, perhaps the story of Hang Tuah have something to do with it.

    Why do you think Tun say, why Jebat must die? do you think he was concerned about what happened 600 hundred years ago or the moral of this story to current generation?


    • Tun has his own interpretations about Tuah/Jebat conundrum. Note that Tun said that Jebat is not a good role model either. But you on the other hand revere Jebat more than Tuah. We shall come back to that later.

      There were many discussions and arguments presented through the ages on who’s right and who’s wrong. Was it Tuah or was it Jebat?

      Many of the current arguments centred on the rightfulness of Jebat to avenge Tuah’s ‘death’. That could be true. Because, how could the Sultan be so unfair and had hastily dispensed punishment without due regards to common sense and justice?

      In the popular folklore, Jebat was fighting against a cruel Sultan. He was fighting to be heard. He was fighting because there were no avenues to complain about the blatant tyranny of the Sultan. Basically, he was fighting for greater democracy.

      This is where we erred in our arguments. We mixed up the issues of 500 years ago and had benchmarked it against our own social/political mindset. This was what I told Tun when I met him as I mentioned in the previous reply.

      In Melaka 500 years ago, democracy was an alien concept. The people gave total and absolute loyalty towards the only authority that they know – the Sultan. His words were the law.

      There were no elections, there were no wakil rakyat’s to air their grievances. Everything centred around the Palace.

      Even in England at that time, democracy was a concept that the English had never could think of. Democracy had in fact died 1,500 years before that when Julius Caesar became Dictator of Rome.

      It surfaced briefly after the passing of Nabi Muhammad SAW where the next four Great Caliphs were selected via show of hands.

      Anyway, I digress.

      The only concept known by the people of Melaka at that time was loyalty to the Sultan. Any act of defying the Sultan was punishable by death.

      To illustrate this point, any man, woman or children will have to prostrate themselves and bow down with face nearly touches the ground whenever a Sultan’s entourage is passing through. Even if there was cow dung right underneath the face (taken from Hikayat Merong Mahawangsa), a loyal subject have to abase themselves in that proper way.

      This had been the way for hundreds of years even before the existence of the Melaka Sultanate.

      Jebat’s transgressions at that time was unthinkable by the people of Melaka. That is why we will never see any good things been said about Hang Jebat. For hundreds of years, Tuah was hailed as the hero while Jebat was casted as the villain.

      It was only recently, perhaps less than 100 years ago did people see Jebat as the fallen hero. The reason is clear. About 100 years ago, the concept of democracy was introduced in Malaya.

      History was perhaps rewritten to give Jebat a new image. Thus, Jebat was elevated to a new status and this do not sit well with the image of the loyal Tuah.

      Therefore, if we base on our affinity towards democracy, we shall root for Jebat.

      But if we had lived during the exciting Melaka Sultanate, we would have fight heart and soul alongside Hang Tuah in order to bring Jebat down from his mischievous ways.

      Maybe we should look into the right perspective. The best we can put forward is this writing by Sabri Zain at on the story about Hang Tuah and Hang Jebat.

      “It is, of course, very appealing to think of Tuah as the ultimate champion of Malay loyalty, chivalry and obedience to tradition, and Jebat as a hero of the people fighting injustice and cruelty. Realistically thought, their actions were far from idealistic. Tuah took loyalty to the point of blind servility. According to the Hikayat Hang Tuah, even before the incident where the Sultan had ordered his execution, there was an occassion where Tuah was actually exiled by the Sultan to Inderapura. There Tuah took it upon himself to kidnap Tun Teja Menggala, the Bendahara’s daughter, knowing that the Sultan lusted after her. Through bribes and deceptions, he succeeded in bringing Tun Teja to Melaka and presented her to his ruler. The Sultan was so pleased, he pardoned Tuah and promoted him to the rank of Laksmana, granting him three river districts as well. His loyalty to his Sultan evidently superseded any ethical considerations.

      To think of Jebat as an idealistic champion of justice is also not completely accurate. He certainly took over the mantle of Laksamana from Tuah with a great deal of relish. He dutifully read Hikayats to the Sultan. When someone lamented that Hang Tuah was needed to defend Melaka, he angrily replied “Why do you say so? Was Hang Tuah the only warrior? It looks as if he is not around … so I will take his place.” He even feels powerful enough to have amourous relationships with the Sultan’s concubines, which was what finally drove the Sultan to order his death. It was not a premeditated, conscious decision by Jebat to fight injustice and avenge his friend – he had misbehaved and now had to accept death or defy the Sultan. And just as Tuah indirectly defied the Sultan by going into hiding, so did Jebat by open rebellion. Jebat going amok killing thousands of innocent people after he was wounded by Tuah certainly is no indication that he was a champion of the people.

      In both cases – one unconsciously, and one quite consciously – they broke the sacred covenant made centuries before between Sang Utama Sri Tri Buana and Demang Lebar Daun.”

      Sabri Zain analysed the stories from both Sejarah Melayu and Hikayat Hang Tuah’s persepective sans the romantic folklore that we know from the movies or current novels/theatres etc. This is vital since his perspectives derived solely from those 2 main books itself. Whatever the contradictions in the Kasturi/Jebat names between the two books is secondary since you yourself admitted that you lay importance on the moral aspects, not the facts.

      So what is the moral of the story?

      Moral lessons come from the popular versions of the story which of course can be extracted from the books itself. Granted, Hang Tuah was not a perfect human being. He had his weaknesses.

      But his weaknesses are certainly minor compared to the transgressions committed by Jebat. Hang Tuah’s strengths were competence, courageous, loyal, intelligent, hard working, polite and ever ready to serve the people and nation. Surely these are well suited to be a role model for Malaysians. Maybe we need to choose what are the best attributes from each heroes and accept the fact that they are not perfect.

      Bottomline, if I were to choose between the lesser of two evils, I’ll choose Hang Tuah. But by all means, other people can choose their own heroes.

      Thank you.


      • Hi there, IMO what Tuah has, Jebat lacks nothing (he’s certainly more loyal than Tuah esp. when comes to friendship) probably the only thing he doesn’t have was Tuah’s stupidity.

        Btw I enjoyed reading your blog. Keep on!


  24. Mr. blog owner,

    The crux of your argument is that, morality or what is right or wrong is dependent on time and culture.

    Yes, I agree with you but not entirely.

    There are things that transcend time, like the bond of friendship. Rebellion is not something new. There are parts of human nature which are still the same in those days and now.

    Islam is older then the times of Hang Tuah. What is right and wrong then still stand until today.

    I refer to the dialog in Hang Tuah film, P. Ramlee as Hang Tuah,

    Hang Jebat says, ” Raja Adil Raja Disembah, Raja Zalim Raja Disanggah”

    Hang Tuah says, “Siapakah yang benar? Jebatkah benar? atau akukah yang benar?

    There was a dilemma in Hang Tuah on what he did. He choose to be loyal to an unjust king and killed his friend. I understand that some people have the opinion that loyalty was paramount those days. But, what is so inspiring about this act? Even on those days, one should not have killed one’s friend that easily.

    Hang Jebat rebel to an unjust king. His best friend was executed over a petty issue of palace “dayang”. He rebelled in the name of justice. His action, is it wrong?

    If you look into history of other cultures,

    In Scotland, William Wallace rebel against King Edward 1. KIng Edward was very cruel king. Wallace was sentence to an agonizing death in public where his bowels were removed. The people of Scotland created a statue of him.

    In English folklore. Robin Hood steal from the rich and give to the poor. He fight for the welfare of the people.

    In Japan, there were the 13 samurai who rebelled against the new shogun who killed and raped the people. All the Samurai died but one managed to behead the shogun.

    In each of these culture, the people gain strength from this stories. They are proud of heroes and legend who fight for the people and uphold justice.

    Here in Malaysia, we have Hang Tuah who were loyal to the king.

    Ahmad Mahmud was memorable as Hang Jebat. He was willing sacrifice himself to handover the Taming Sari to Hang Tuah to diffuse the situation.

    That is an act of a true courage. He got balls. A traits for true hero.

    I agree that everyone can choose their own hero but I am sure you can understand now that the title of this blog troubles me.

    Thank you and you have a nice day yourself.


    • Thank you for the comment.

      I think the English people at that time didn’t support William Wallace because they deemed the Scots as savages. They cheered when he was tortured and quartered by their King Edward. Wallace was after all, an enemy of the English. In fact, Wallace was betrayed by their own thanes to the English.

      Anyway, if you have a problem with the name of this blog, I assure you that I will not have a problem if you create your own blog titled – Jebat/Kasturi Should Not have Died.

      I hope we can agree to disagree on the issue here. Interesting you highlighted Islam as one of your points.

      Thank you.


  25. The English at the time considered a lot of people savages. The Scots, Irish and even us.

    There were once an Englishman who took a bath in a river in Perak. One courageous man take a spear and stick into him. From what I had read, this Englishmen had mess-around with the local ladies at the time.

    The person responsible were banish from the country, anti-establishment was not a good trait those days.

    About Wallace, perhaps we can see the parallel between the thanes and Wallace and between Hang Tuah and Hang Jebat. Both forsaken friendship with other interest.

    I don’t suppose a blog title Wallace must die would sit well with the Scots.

    Thank You.


    • Of course. But it could sit well with the English at the time. Just like if Taming Sari launched an attack against Melaka Sultan/Melaka empire and got killed trying. No one in Melaka will create a statue of him.

      Thank you.


  26. All the Hang Tuahs and what not were barely discussed back in History class (form 1) because there wasn’t real concrete evidence that they existed. I think it was a short one paragraph describing Hang Tuah and his band of brothers.

    Either way, let’s keep it real. Hang Jebat’s theme of ‘friendship’ is a way better story than Hang Tuah’s theme of being loyal to a Sultan.

    I don’t see the correlation between the ‘Hang’ stories and what is going on right now with Anwar ‘pornstar’ prime-minister in the making.



  27. Dear Author,
    I tried to click on the link of WSJ in this blog post that should link to the article but it brought me to a different article? Can you please give me the original link (or maybe WSJ has removed it?). Btw, my palestinian colleague (at the uk university) not so long time ago said that Anwar is supporting the J (and vice versa), and the things he reads is not from malaysian writers or something to do with malaysian politics (which means that the writer did not talk about Anwar in the context of political situation in Malaysia, but the writer talked about Anwar’s action of supporting the J).


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