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EC explains its role in the BERSIH fiasco; Perkasa fights on

For the past few weeks, Malaysians had been fed with only one sided news from the alternative media. Not one of the alternative news portals gave a thorough exposure on what the Election Commission had brief the media yesterday. Below are excerpts from The Malay Mail on the interview.

Mail Q&A: Only so much we can do, EC says of Bersih’s demands

Friday, July 1st, 2011 11:52:00

“SOME of the eight recommendations by the Bersih 2.0 rally organisers are up for discussion and would be good to implement and some are not within our power to carry out,” says Election Commission of Malaysia (EC) deputy chairman Datuk Wira Wan Ahmad Wan Omar.

“We are only an election management body, not a political party and we are answerable to the law and the Ruler.”

Wan Ahmad said this during a luncheon talk yesterday organised by the Institute of Mind Development (INMIND).

It is understood that recommendations up for discussion were on cleaning the electoral roll, reforming postal balloting, use of indelible ink, and minimum 21 days campaigning period.

The other four recommendations the EC are apparently unable to carry out were free and fair access to media, strengthening public institutions, stopping dirty politics and stopping corruption.

The upcoming Bersih 2.0 rally on July 9, organised by the Coalition for Clean and Fair Elections, has been touted as an acid test for Malaysian democracy, where the “freedom and right to assembly” as guaranteed by the Federal Constitution has been put under scrutiny.

While the Home Ministry has called it an illegal rally, and the police have warned the public against taking part, Bersih 2.0 chairman Datuk Ambiga Sreenevasan said the rally will go on.

Bersih2.0 is a “sequel” to the Bersih rally on Nov 10, 2007, where a memorandum was sent to the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, with the intention of seeking electoral reform in the country.

Here are the highlights of a question-and-answer session during the luncheon talk.

MM: Have the recommendations made by non-governmental organisations (NGOs) such as Bersih to the EC during closed-door discussions been forwarded to the government, and what is the status?

Wan Ahmad: There have been various efforts towards improving the election system. We have revised and re-checked the laws with the help of the Attorney-General’s Chambers (AG). A lot of issues were brought up to Parliament with regards to the election management process, but people sometimes tend to forget that. It is true that there are a few things where the Federal Constitution needs to be amended, but the amendment of the constitution must be the last resort as the constitution is our reference point.

Just because we want to fulfill our demands, we should not disregard the efforts made by the people who formulated the constitution over five decades ago, where a lot of pros and cons, cross-checking and checks and balances were done before it was implemented. EC is not looking for temporary measures, we listen to the civil society, responsible bodies, NGOs, political parties and AG before we make any decision, especially with regards to constitutional amendments. EC is not a law-making organisation, we can only make recommendations, but it is up to the government to bring the matter to Parliament for debate.

A lot of changes have been made. Previously, no political party agents could be in military camps during postal voting sessions, but it is allowed now. These changes have been made and explained to political parties and NGOs. We did not close our door to negotiations because these were people who gave their feedback to us. We would continue to meet them for the betterment of the democratic process in our country.

What can be done will be done, but those that cannot be implemented will take some time to allow a study to take place so that we can find a solution that would serve all parties. But we cannot hurry and expect overnight changes, especially if it is made just because of the upcoming 13th general election.

MM: What has hindered the EC from implementing cleaning the electoral roll, reforming postal balloting, use of indelible ink, and minimum 21 days campaigning period?

Wan Ahmad: The voters’ registration issue has been done in accordance with the Registration of Electors Regulations 2002 which are bound with the Federal constitution. For example, a registered voter at a certain address will have to request the EC for address change as we cannot simply change their voting place because they are no longer living at the address stated on their MyKad. We cannot do that, as it would lead to power abuse. Parti Keadilan Rakyat deputy president Azmin Ali had been telling people there are six “phantom voters” at his house address.

But these six people were registered in the 1990s, and the new law which required voters to register in accordance with MyKad addresses was only implemented in 2002. Prior to the new law, there was no system that regulated people to register at their place, and not to their fancy. That is what happened and we have successfully handled the issue. It is within one’s rights to vote at the place they registered, even if they no longer live there. EC is forbidden by law to change the voting place of registered voters unless it is upon request by the voters’ themselves.

As said earlier, changes have to be made to postal voting. The police and army have to vote earlier as they have to serve the country during election day. We have allowed the political party agents to monitor poll stations for postal voting, and we cannot simply change this method without considering the rights of the army, police and even full-time students abroad. With regards to indelible ink, it is used among countries which have no identification system, such as Africa and India.

They have not reached our level yet. We only have 12 million voters. Why should we turn our system backwards when we have reached this level of technological advancement? The reason there is a push for the use of indelible ink is due to fear of double-voting, but we have an adequate system to handle voter identification and it is nearly impossible for people to register twice.

We only have one identification number, and one identification card. That is why we are seriously considering the biometric system. Explanations have been given to people concerning the campaign period. We simply cannot compare our country with others that have longer campaigning days. Look at how big the number of voters is in countries such as Indonesia or Thailand.

The situation in our country is different, with various media exposure, mainstream and alternative, and people already know the policy of the government and the political parties. Hence, I do not understand the need for a longer campaigning period.

MM: The Bersih 2.0 organisers said the EC had only made a few changes since the first Bersih rally in 2007. Why can’t automatic voting registration be implemented for those who have turned 21 without having to register with the EC?

Wan Ahmad: Automatic registration, for now, is contradictory to the constitution. If it were to be implemented, we would have to amend the constitution first. It is not within EC’s power to change it, as it is under the provision 119, where it is stated that one has to request to register as a voter with the EC.

This is done with respect to one’s freedom of choice. It is up to an individual to choose to register and become a voter. According to a survey conducted by Universiti Teknologi Malaysia (UTM), the reason there are 3.2 million unregistered voters is due to laziness. We cannot force them if they do not want to be voters.

MM: Why does EC seem to be “jumpy” with regards to demands made by certain quarters like Bersih? How can NGOs prevent this from happening and deal with EC directly?

Wan Ahmad: To be fair, we have to listen to all parties for feedback. If an NGO seeks to meet EC, we welcome them but an official letter must be made. There is no problem with that on our part.

MM: Instead of a longer campaigning period, why can’t a cooling-off period be implemented?

Wan Ahmad: Indeed we have a cooling-off period. All political parties know that campaigning must stop by midnight before the polling day. We have laws but not everyone will adhere to them. We see how some political talks were played via compact discs until the wee hours in the morning. There was nothing we can do about those who disregard the law. We cannot simply arrest people during polling day when we have other things to handle as well.

MM: Apart from the army and police, is there a possibility for media practitioners to be allowed postal voting as most of them have to work on polling day too?

Wan Ahmad: We are looking into the matter. This is one area that has been in our discussions too.

Online weed-out of ‘phantom’ voters now available

STARTING today, a new system to weed out dubious voters will be available on the Election Commission’s (EC) website at http://www.spr.gov.my for voters to check their status.

EC deputy chairman Datuk Wira Wan Ahmad Wan Omar said the system would allow voters to check the voter list according to their home addresses.

“Heads of households are encouraged to check online and report to us if there are other names within the address.”

If there are discrepancies, the EC would be able to make the necessary changes under Rule 25 of the Elections (Registration of Electors) Regulations 2002.

On the criticism that foreign observers have been denied access to observe elections here, Wan Ahmad said: “The foreigners’ understanding of our constitution and culture is different. The same is applied to us. When I visited a foreign country to observe their electoral process, I was not allowed to question the transparency of the process.”

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An individual that everyone loves to hate, Datuk Ibrahim Ali went with guns blazing during an interview with The Malay Mail today.

Mail Q&A: I am a fighter, says Ibrahim Ali

Friday, July 1st, 2011 11:12:00

DATUK Ibrahim Ali is staying defiant. Just hours after Malay-rights movement Perkasa received a stern warning from the police that action would be taken against them if they took to the streets in retaliation to the upcoming Bersih rally, its controversial president reiterated that its members would march as planned.

Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Ismail Omar had yesterday cautioned Perkasa secretary-general Syed Hassan Syed Ali that there would be a crackdown if the organisation didn’t call off its plans. But Ibrahim has other ideas.

Labeling Bersih as an “emotionally unstable” group, Ibrahim said as long as Bersih didn’t call off their march, Perkasa would take to the streets on July 9, as he believed that Bersih’s demand for a free and fair election is only a political ploy.

He said if Perkasa did not go against them, Malaysia and the global community might think that Bersih had the support of the country. Ibrahim however stressed that Perkasa’s march will be a peaceful one.

“We will go as a peaceful group, as we are peace warriors.”

The Malay Mail’s senior reporter MARHALIM ABAS spoke with the Pasir Mas MP in Parliament yesterday, and got an insight into the Perkasa founder’s reasoning and motives behind his opposition to the latest Bersih gathering.

Q: What are your thoughts on Bersih 2.0?

A: To me, Bersih is a mixed group, a group with problems, some with big ambitions and others who are frustrated. So they are a mixture of these groups who to me are emotionally unstable. I believe my reading of them is correct by looking at the Bersih committee members.

Although some are maybe academically qualified, they could have been afflicted with mental sickness, Wallahu Alam (Only Allah knows) based on what they are doing and demanding.

Q: Bersih organisers have claimed they are seeking a fair and just elections. Is asking for fair and just elections a bad thing?

A: I believe that the demand for a fair and just elections is only a ploy. We all know the credibility level of our elections. Yes, there are some weaknesses but looking at their demands, I do not believe it warrants a street demonstration.

Their demands include automatic voter registration, abolishing postal votes, using indelible ink and a campaign period of more than 21 days. These are things that can be discussed at a roundtable meeting with the Election Commission. If they cannot get their way at one time, they can keep demanding. They can submit their memorandum to the King, they can also pressure the EC via their members who are in Parliament. There are various means for them to press for their demands.

The EC had already answered some of their demands. On the indelible ink, for example, the EC has already said they will be using the biometric system which is better than putting your finger in a bottle. On the 21-day campaign period, although it is their right to demand, others may not agree. I don’t want it, 21 days is too long.

They also do not realise how much money the government spends on 11 days of elections. How much will the cost of security be for 11 days? And now they want 10 more days; these are the same people who keep telling the government not to waste public funds and save money.

They’re fond of double standards; it’s like their stand on the Internal Security Act. The Bersih 2.0 chairman (Datuk Ambiga Sreenevasan) was also involved in the Abolish ISA campaign; yet these are also the same people who asked for me to be arrested under the ISA.

Q: So Bersih is not your typical NGO movement, it’s more political?

A: Yes, Ambiga is the one who is from an NGO. Others in the committee – the deputy chairman, secretary, head of information and other committee members – are all from PKR, DAP and PAS. Only Ambiga is representing the NGO or maybe in her personal capacity but she is the former Bar Council president.

By putting Ambiga as the chairman, they are in a way attempting to tell the masses that they are not a political movement, but one for the people. They can also show the world that the movement is being headed by a learned advocate, an esteemed member of the legal fraternity. This is meant to confuse people.

Q: And it is for those reasons Perkasa and Umno Youth are planning a counter march on July 9?

A: What Perkasa is doing now via my statements, public speeches and information gathering, is to explain to the public what Bersih is really about. What they are doing now doesn’t make sense.
If I do not go against them, Malaysia and the whole world might think that they have the support of the country. They do not have the support of the majority.

The reasoning is that if the ruling party goes against them, they will turn it around and claim that the EC won’t bow to their demands, hence proof that the EC is working for the ruling coalition.

The public understands that although I’m a politician, I don’t have any other agenda to promote, such as making (Datuk Seri) Anwar Ibrahim the Prime Minister. I stand alone.

As a seasoned politician, I was a former student leader. I know Anwar very well, and I myself was detained twice under the ISA. Due to that, I am able to appreciate the country’s situation.

The situation on the ground was already tense, so when Bersih was announced, my attention turned towards the situation in the Middle East.

I also noticed that several days after July 9, Anwar will have to enter his defence. (Note: July 13 is the case mention for the defence’s appeal against the judge’s decision not to recuse himself in Anwar’s sodomy trial).

I also noted that during the Sarawak elections Ambiga had stated that the people there should emulate what had happened at Tahrir Square (the site of the massive uprising in Cairo, Egypt) and she was subsequently barred from entering Sarawak.

Unlike other politicians, I like to listen when opposition leaders give speeches or talks. People like Anwar, I listen to them while sitting in my car. I want to know what they are saying, whether it’s just political propaganda or rhetoric. For example, Nurul Izzah (Anwar), when speaking about July 9, stated the public should emulate what the Egyptians did.

I’m also kept informed by my friends, who are members of PAS or PKR. So either by listening or being informed by others, I concluded that Bersih isn’t simply a means to ask for fair elections. Supporters are being told to bring along food and to be prepared not to go home for three or four days. Looking at their banners and pamphlets, I am convinced the demonstration was meant to create havoc.

Based on all of this and also the fact that I was a student leader in the ’70s, I concluded that Bersih, despite its slogan of a fair and just elections, is really an illegal attempt to overthrow the government. You see, they cannot wait, as Anwar is fighting for his survival in the court case and also the sex video scandal.

Q: Are you saying that if Anwar was not called to submit his defence (in the sodomy trial), July 9 would not happen?

A: I cannot say that. But these people are power crazy, they became more emotional after Anwar was called to enter his defence. If he wasn’t, they might still call for a demonstration to create momentum until the general election is called. They want power even via undemocratic means.

Q: The police are saying that if Perkasa and Bersih actually hold the demonstration next Saturday, there will be trouble..

A: I believe the police. Perkasa has given briefings in 22 places in Kuala Lumpur and Selangor. We will go as a peaceful group, as we are peace warriors. I have told everyone that no one should bring weapons or things that could be used as weapons. But you know, when a large number of people take to the streets, anything can happen. For example, in Egypt under Hosni Mubarak, the army became one the strongest in the world. But even the Egyptian army couldn’t stop the violence when hundreds of thousands of people came out to the streets days and night.

The same thing happened in Tunisia. Bear in mind that in the Middle East, there is only one race so no racial issues. In our country, if the people take to the streets, they will be in groups, Malays, Chinese and Indians. As I said, even before July 9, racial tensions already exist.

So you can imagine if they gathered in the streets and start making public speeches. That is why I tend to believe what the police are saying about July 9. Unlike politicians who will have ready-made answers, the police, especially the higher-ups, will rely on surveillance and intelligence before making any statements. They know Bersih on July 9 is something different and it must be stopped.

Q: After knowing all that, you still want to press on with a counter march on July 9?

A: Well, I am a fighter and I am committed towards ensuring that my country remains peaceful. It just so happens that I have the blood of a warrior and as I know Anwar and his people, it is my responsibility. You see, in Islam we are taught the concept of Amal Makruf Nahi Munkar (To maintain the right and to forbid wrong doings) so I cannot run away from responsibility.

Q: We were told that you were supposed to meet with the IGP today (yesterday).

A: Yes, I was told about it yesterday (Wednesday) but I had already made plans to go back to Kelantan for a function. My statement was already taken on Tuesday so I told them they can take my statement in Kota Baru. Their officer later informed me that I could send my secretary-general.

Q: Have you been briefed about what had transpired at the meeting? (Ibrahim had just arrived from Kelantan about 1pm as his flight was delayed)

A: Well, the secretary-general informed me that it was not much different from what I was told at Dang Wangi. The IGP told the secretary-general to inform the Perkasa executive council that if we go ahead with the demonstrations on July 9, they would have no other choice but to act against us. The IGP also gave a briefing on the country’s security situation. As what I had said before, that if Bersih 2.0 do not go on with their demonstration or if the police cannot stop them and Bersih goes ahead with their plans, Perkasa will also go ahead with our plans (to demonstrate).

Q: Would you agree if the Bersih demonstration was held in a stadium or something similar?

A: Well, I don’t think the police will agree to the idea at the moment. If Bersih abandons its idea of conducting a street demonstration but instead hold it indoors, I will support them and ask the police to give a permit. I will support it as it will be just like what the Constitution says about freedom of speech and the right to gather.

Contrary to what Suhakam said, I believe if you need to gather, you need a police permit as mentioned in the Constitution. Why do you want to take to the streets? Everyone is complaining – taxi drivers, petty traders and even the tourist bodies. Just imagine even a small accident in the city will create chaos throughout the Klang Valley. What will happen during a street demonstration? It’s the weekend, let people enjoy their day off. Do not create havoc.

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26 thoughts on “EC explains its role in the BERSIH fiasco; Perkasa fights on

    • Kenn,

      Saya tidak yaakin yang keluar pada 9 Julai itu akan sebanyak mana yang dianggarkan beberapa pihak. Perkasa telah menyatakan bahawa mereka akan keluar hanya jika Bersih keluar.

      SPR telah memberi keterangan lanjut pendirian mereka berkenaan isu-isu yang dikemukakan Bersih itu. Separuh darinya bukan isu (non-issue) bagi SPR,

      Nyata slah disisi undang undang jika sesiapa keluar. Polis sudah memberi keterangan bertalu talu. Polis pun sudah bersedia, siap dengan Polis Field Force mereka beberapa batalion. Tentera juga telah menyatakan kesanggupan mereka membantu mengawal ketenteraman.

      Saya pasti kedua dua pihak Polis Field Force dan Tentera sudah membuat rancangan terperinci, bersedia keluar jika dan bila Bersih keluar. Mereka sudah ada pengalaman berkerja sama mengawal rusuhan, seperti di13 Mei 1969. Pengalaman itu ada disimpan direkod mereka, malahan digunakan untuk latihan kakitangan mereka dari masa kemasa.

      Pentingnya pulak ialah, mengikut thestaronline, dimasa diSabah, PM telah menyatakan Polis boleh mengambil sebarang tindakan yang perlu, termasuk mengistiharkan dharurat. Saya fikir Polis tidak akan teragak agak melakukannya jika dan apabila timbul keadaan memerlukannya. Disaat saat saat genting, tidak perlu Polis merujuk kapada pihak berkuasa atasan jika perlu berbuat demikian.

      Memang ada yang degil dan keras kepala keluar juga pada 9 Julai itu. Saya harap Ambiga dan penggerak Bersih dicekut Polis dibawah mana mana satu Akta berkenaan sebelom 9 Julai. Tapi saya pasti Polis sudah ada rancangan bagi menghalang dan menentukan tidak ramai yang sampai ketempat perhimpunan. Kalau sampai pun, sudah ada rancangan mengawal mereka bagi mengelakkan rusuhan. Jika berlaku rusuhan, tentera akan keluar. Jika rusuhan berlarutan, dharurat akan diistiharkan.

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      • PS:

        Sedikit nasihat dari saya sebagai rakyat yang prihatin (concerned citizen) dan mahukan ketenteraman. Terutamnya kapada mereka yang “saja nak tengok” atau “watch the spectacle”, nak seronok atau “want to go out there just for the fun of it” –

        Janganlah keluar 9 Julai bertujuan demikian. Atau untuk apa apa tujuan lain. Mungkin jadi mangsa yang “tidak bersalah” (innocent bystanders). Ingatlah bahawa berada ditempat perhimpunan itu saja adalah salah. Jika berjalan, mengikut perarakan, sudah tentu menjadi sebahagian dari peserta, bukan lagi “innocent bystanders”.

        Jika duduk diam setempat pun, mungkin diprovokasi, diejek, dibaling batu dsbnya oleh 1-2 yang jahat diperhimpunan itu. Kelakuan itu boleh meletupkan pergaduhan yang membarak jadi rusuhan.

        Jika ditangkap, akan ditahan. Kerana dijangka ramai begitu, peroses Polis merekod butir peribadi, mengambil kenyataan, mendapatkan penjamin, jika perlu, akan makan masa. Jika melibatkan sampai hari kerja tidak hadzir kerja tanpa cuti mungkin akan hilang kerja.

        Janganlah membantu mereka yang cuba memporak perandakan keadaan. Ingatlah, jika rusuhan berlaku dharurat akan diistiharkan. Seperti dipergaduhan kaum 13 Mei 1969, perentah berkurung dan tembak sesiapa yang keluar (“Shoot anyone on sight”) ditempoh berkenaan akan dikeluarkan. Mereka yang berkerja sendiri (self-employed) susah nak cari makan, merana azab sangsara dalam keadaan demikian.

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    • DPM TS Muhyiddin said Ambiga should call off the rally first before an audience with the YDP Agong. I like what Muhyiddin says and I like this man who, to my mind, always has a correct perspective of the political needs of the country, quite unlike Najib. And I agree with what Freddie says below that the Government has gone soft, largely due to Najib’s stand of wanting to placate the Chinese for votes or whatever, to the extent that MCA even wants the Bumiputera equity target be abolished, drawing calls for their citizenship right be also abolished.

      The Agong has made a statement giving advice to the rakyat on the illegal Bersih rally. Bernama this morning says Ambiga was reported to have said that she was willing to cancel the rally if YDP Agong is willing to meet her and asks her to do so. I do appreciate the Agong giving advice and the Agong wanting to play a role to diffuse a tense situation. But to the extent of giving an audience to Ambiga before she calls off the rally, I seriously think it will be creating a bad precedent and giving a signal to all blokes who want to get political mileage in this country to demand seeing the Agong.

      I support Muhyiddin’s statement that Ambiga call off the illegal rally first and thereafter she may be allowed to meet the Agong. The Agong is the symbol of justice and, with the power to pardon, is the highest authority in compassion and fair play in this country, and that position must not be taken lightly.

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  1. Dear JMD,

    Sorry Bro but being polite and civil means shit to these degenerates. They know only one language, getting fucked.

    You are ever the gentleman and you have my utmost admiration.

    Bro, these guys are well funded and highly sophisticated. NGO-in-a-box software, web security and what not. From my post follow the trail http://www.komas.org/news_events_29jan.htm > http://www.engagemedia.org/team > http://tacticaltech.org/node/468

    They hide behind NGOs and disguised social activities.

    I really hope they get fucked real good. By the authorities that is.

    While I do not condone PERKASA and UMNO Youth trangressing the same laws applied, being absent will give these enemies of the country free licence to create hatred and anarchy.

    In the 22 years of peace and prosperity under Tun Mahathir these scumbags dare not even fart..

    Our Govt has gone soft.

    I hope you publish my comment verbatim.

    Very best regards
    Freddie

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    • “While I do not condone PERKASA and UMNO Youth trangressing the same laws applied, being absent will give these enemies of the country free licence to create hatred and anarchy.

      Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black!!! If you think its wrong then it remains wrong..you can justify a wrong by saying “ohh since he is doing it I will do it as well”. So, if you feel strongly that the assembly is wrong..then so be it. You cant justify by saying ok..I will do a counter assembly. Two wrong dont make a right..unless you are confident that your participation in the assembly does not consitute a transgression of the law, whereby if so then you just shot yourself on the foot.

      Call a spade a spade ok?

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      • Agreed that two wrongs don’t make a right. But reacting to a nasty deed is human nature, isn’t it? Stimulus and reaction. So, the thing to do, or not to do, is not to stimulate. Then there’ll be no reaction.

        Let’s therefore remove the stimulus. Get Ambiga call of the illegal assembly. Then the reaction dissipates by itself. Ibrahim Ali has already said that he would call off the Perkasa rally if the Bersih rally is called off.

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    • Agree with Freddie that polite words don’t knock sense into their heads.

      If Bersih is for Clean and Fair elections, why the hell do they include the non-election issues of access to media, strengthening public institutions, stopping dirty politics and stopping corruption? Are those not clear proofs that they are politically motivated, bringing up issues that politicians usually do, have on their committee politicians from Opposition parties.

      If Ambiga wants to be a politician, why the bloody hell doesn’t she say so, join a political party or form a new one. For goodness sake, she is a lawyer, she must know how to go about things. Isn’t it indecent, to say the least, to be hiding behind a so-called NGO and raise political issues? Isn’t it unlawful to be urging having the rally when repeatedly told no permit will be issued? Under the current confrontational mood among those proposing and others opposing, isn’t she being arrogant and plainly defiant of the various laws like the Police Act, the Penal Code, the Sedition Act and the ISA?

      Subversion has come into the picture when those blokes carrying communist literature were arrested by the Police in Penang, Petaling Jaya and Tangkak-Segamat, and are being investigated under the Emergency Act of going against the YDP Agong. They must be stopped at all costs as we shudder at the thought of a bloody communist insurgence that had plagued this country for many decades in the past.

      No two ways about it. Whack those rally-minded fellows and communist-inspired blokes under the relevant laws. They must not be allowed to go on the streets trying to bring down the duly elected government in unlawful ways. They can wait for the General Elections. Enough has been said about those grouses of theirs being sent to the Election Commission in a memo, even discussed at suitable times, and publicised in the mass media, but they must not be allowed to take the law into their own hands by holding an illegal rally.

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    • I don’t understand why Najib is “going soft” endlessly. Thestaronline today says the Government is prepared to meet with Bersih organizers “to identify a suitable stadium for the movement to hold its rally on Saturday.” Why can’t he just tell them the stadium the Police or the Government thinks suitable and the conditions for holding the rally there?

      Imagine, he said “We have not been notified by them yet. We will respond accordingly.” Those people can just “notify” him? Are those loose words or a reflection of a condescending attitude of a PM dealing with people who wanted to go against the law? People who said they wanted to raise 8 election issues but 4 of them have nothing to do with the EC. People who have in their committee Opposition party members. People who have not said a word against the blokes bringing Bersih paraphernalia, communist literature and leaflets glorifying Malayan Communist Party terrorists. People who are taking money from US-based foreign organisations trying to interfere in the internal affairs of this country – foreign blokes who don’t have an adequate understanding of the politics of this country.

      I fear more and more blokes will be taking advantage of this “gone soft” attitude of the Government. Exploiting each and every opportunity they can find. Enough with DAP and its exploitative politics since its inception 40 years ago. Enough with Anwar even willing to abandon Ketuanan Melayu as enshrined in Article 153 of the Constitution but exploit everything else including repeatedly asking the Sodomy II Judge to recluse himself to delay his trial. Enough with PAS abandoning Negara Islam to be led by the nose by DAP and Mat Sabu and gang also wanting to see the Agong.

      Najib has to put a full stop to all those nonsense. Be firm, for goodness sake. You cannot please all the people all the time. You can only win some, lose some. I hope to God he doesn’t lose more than he gains.

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    • What’s wrong with talking about mental sickness if it is justified? Are you yourself liable to be called one if you just make a sarcastic remark without attempting to justify it? Do state the reasons why you imply Ibrahim has mental sickness. He has given the reasons for saying what he did and does not appear mentally sick to me. You – I wonder.

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        • You have stolen my words, Jabba. I used the words Haba haba very soon I came out here and elsewhere. But then, I have to expect that sort of thing from you, haven’t I? You are the no good, no argument and no decency kind I notice practically every time you come out. I made a mistake responding to you above. I’ll avoid doing so in future. It’s a futile exercise to try and talk to a fellow like you.

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        • Come to think about it, you need telling off, you SOG. I’ll do it better by telling you to justify what you say every time you say things, Jabba. Otherwise you’ll simply appear as a nuisance.

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  2. A long list of losses/damages by the men-in-the-street should be drawn up. Then sue the leaders of this illegal march for monetary compensation due to loss of earnings and trauma suffered.

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  3. Assalamualaikum, salam 1Malaysia

    saya mewakili pihak mykmu.net ingin menarik perhatian pihak tuan
    bahawasanya…laman web mykmu.net akan mengadakan Majlis Himpunan penulis
    penulis maya (blog Politik shj) pada november ini, Insya’Allah ..Perdana
    Menteri Malaysia turut akan menghadiri majlis tersebut tarikh resmi akan
    diberitahu kelak…

    Buat masa ini apa yang boleh saya beritahu penginapan akan disediakan bagi mereka yg datng dari luar…

    Mohon pada pihak tuan agar memyebarkan berita ini kepada rakan rakan blog anda..

    Tuan boleh menghubungi saya di email cranell@mykmu.net bagi sebarang pertanyaan dan pengesahan.

    jika berminat sila berikan nama namablog dan no fon di email yg tertera diatas

    segala kerjasama pihak tuan amatlah dihargai….

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  4. Kalau sudah keluar dari mulut DYMM Tuanku bermakna semua jentera diBawah DYMM is on standby. We have very specialized and experienced people to handle these sort of things.

    Do not underestimating Najib, don’t forget he was twice appointed as Defense Minister.

    Salam semua.

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    • Agreed, Katrina. The Police and the Armed Forces do have the experience – they worked together in bringing back peace and order after the race riots of 1969, and the steps they took must have been charted in their text books, taken out from time to time during the training of their Officers and rank and file.

      But I doubt if Najib’s experience as a Defence Minister means much when, as Freddie said above, the Government has “gone soft”. I know that even Tun Dr Mahathir spoke about holding a rally in a stadium but that was before the YDP Agong issued a statement expressing his opinion on the proposed Bersih Rally. Najib should have waited for the reaction from Ambiga et al before announcing his no-objection to a Stadium rally. Now others like PAS Mat Sabu may say (reference his statement in Trengganu) – how about me and my group – we have written to the Agong asking to see him.

      Of course, Miiiiister Anwarul whatever has since September 2008 been wanting to see the Agong about his katak lompat business – the attempted coup d’etat via katak lompat.

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      • No Jabba, you should not. But you may expect a knocking on your head from time to time, Miister Nuisance, hahaha. See, I can play the same game you play, boy.

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    • “Internal Security and Public Order director Datuk Salleh Mat Rasid said police might enlist the help of the armed forces in taking action against illegal demonstrations.”

      This is what I meant earlier.. damn good with what they do!
      Cannot elaborate more.

      Salam

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  5. Aliran published a statement by 16 academicians who proposed steps they claim can “resolve the crisis and restore public confidence in the government’s ability to govern the country fairly and justly”. Balderdash.

    Second on the list is Dr Azmi Sharom, the so-called liberal Malay, a law lecturer at UM who is not a Constitutional lawyer but tried to interpret the sensitive Articles of the Constitution to the chagrin of the Malays, including saying Article 153 does not confer a special right to the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. Only 3 are Malays – presumably the “enlightened Malays”. But they must be a tiny fraction of the Malay academicians in the entire country. The 16 academicians are also a tiny fraction of the large total; one of them does not even have a PhD and one wonders how academic he/she is.

    Aliran of course wants the release of the PSM MP Dr Jeyakumar who was arrested with others carrying literature and pamphlets glorifying the Malayan Communist Party.

    The proposals include the release all political activists held under the Emergency Ordinance, dropping all charges against those arrested by the police for Bersih-related offences, permitting Bersih the right to a peaceful march.

    Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

    Meanwhile, after meeting YDP Agong today, Ambiga has announced the calling off of street demos, now wanting to hold the rally in a stadium – following Najib’s statement of no objection to a rally in a stadium. That’s another matter for discussion – the precedent set that may attract all sorts of people trying to create tension – asking to meet the Agong and allowed to proceed, only the demo venue changed.

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  6. we can only conclude that the countries administration has gone to the dogs and it does not really matter who rules, whether it is umno, perkosa or parti ketinggalan, it will be mismanaged, taxes will remain high, stupid education system, uncontrolled government spending to appease cronies etc…….
    in my opinion, there is a requirement for a liberal english speaking party, whose main aim is not racial or religious, but to turn malaysia into an equivalent of uk, canada,australia of the nordic countries. these places were consistent in being in the top places of the most livable countries by the un, innovative, competitive and non-religious.

    those who insist in a religious malaysia, we deport them to afghanistan and pakistan autonomous region and let them eat religion and die religion over there.

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