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New year resolutions

I read with great enthusiasm all the new year wishes in the blogosphere. Some were funny, some were passionate and full of hope, some were even foreboding and apprehensive.

However, Lim Kit Siang’s new year’s message was somewhat misleading and full of rhetorics. Now who am I to criticise Lim Kit Siang? He is after all, the grand old man of the opposition since the 1960’s. The rock n’ rolling 60’s.

Nevertheless, I hope the incomparable Lim Kit Siang will take stock of the situation he is in now after March 2008.

In his message, he urged Malaysians to stand united against the global economic depression in 2009. A fine gesture indeed.

But then he launched himself into an outburst of self delusions by saying:

Malaysia is at a new crossroads. We have lost our way after half-a-century of nationhood as illustrated by the tragic fact that the objective of a Bangsa Malaysia as proclaimed in Vision 2020 has become a subject of discord rather than concord among Malaysians and our continued slippage in international competitiveness whether in terms of university rankings, corruption perception indices, human rights or good governance ratings.

Firstly, I would like to point out that the seeds of discord were sown by the people that opted themselves to be continually be segregated from the majority. The concept Bangsa Malaysia which was mooted as a 30 year plan to unite Malaysians under the Vision 2020, was time and time again been ridiculed by the people that had diminished this noble idea of a dignified and united people into a much tainted concept.

Often times, ideas of integration were abruptly turned down by those who think themselves as culturally superior than the rest of the people.

And to say that Malaysia lost its way for the past half century is quite ironic here. If we were to believe that is true, then the most probable cause for it is due to the opposition’s lack of maturity to work together with the government. That would probably be the main cause for the nation’s glitches and stuttering performance. The opposition’s methods of opposing everything just for the sake of opposing have become a crying shame in the overall parliamentary mechanism.

If the government had submitted themselves to the whims and demands of the opposition, we may not even have the Penang Bridge, PLUS Highways and other initiatives made by the government since 1957. In fact, the opposition has the honour to be the main driver of the nation’s lack of patriotism. To digress a bit, back in 1998, PAS promised to auction off Putrajaya and KLCC if they gain power in the general elections of 1999. That was one of their ideas to overcome the currency crisis.

Therefore, it was indeed a miracle that Malaysia, although being riled and bogged down by the incessant grumbling of the opposition, did progress in achieving great feats and became highly respected in the international community. In the words of a renown statesman – ‘Not bad for a country that was considered a primary candidate for the dustbin of history’.

Thus, the current slippage of the country’s standing in the indices mentioned by Lim Kit Siang above are actually the manifestation of a bad leadership of the country. A weak leadership. If the leadership is good and the country is prosperous with low inflation and low cost of living, then even the opposition have no cause to grumble. Their potshots at the government will mostly be unheeded by the happy majority. This is in cognisant with their past inability to gain more seats in the parliament. It is indeed about the economy and the leadership.

And as always, the opposition will always be long on rhetorics and short on substance. Like how they overpromised in their March 2008 election manifesto and under-delivered in the aftermath.

He concluded:

The great challenge facing Malaysia in the coming year is whether Malaysians can unite as one Malaysian people to withstand the worst effects of the global economic tsunami in the coming year and regain our lost ground in the international competitiveness stakes to forge a united, just, progressive, caring and meritocratic nation.

Like many instances in my past articles, what are the steps needed to be done to achieve that? How can he work together with the many opposing ideologies in his coalition?

By just providing the aim is never enough without providing the strategies. Just like a medicine peddlar in Puduraya, people will flock around him to hear what he promised Malaysia would be in his grand scheme of things. But how to achieve that had never been discussed seriously by anyone in his team.

Hence, that is why the idea of a streamlined education system as suggested by Datuk Mukhriz is very much one of the many viable ideas to unite the people further.

After the Wawasan school concept was rejected by the staunch defenders of the vernacular schools, the new government under the Prime Minister-elect Datuk Najib must make a stand to bring forward this idea further. A study is needed to unify the children under one education system. I do not think he should be concerned with what a few clustered people would think. After all, a good (not a weak and corrupt one) government often make unpopular decisions for the benefit of the nation.

After all, in Article 152 of the Constitution, in which the existence of vernacular schools rely heavily upon  had stated;

1. The national language shall be the Malay language and shall be in such script as Parliament may by law provide: Provided that-

  • (a) no person shall be prohibited or prevented from using (otherwise than for official purposes), or from teaching or learning, any other language; and
  • (b) nothing in this Clause shall prejudice the right of the Federal Government or of any State Government to preserve and sustain the use and study of the language of any other community in the Federation.

6. In this Article, “official purpose” means any purpose of the Government, whether Federal or State, and includes any purpose of a public authority.

It clearly says there that you are free to learn and teach other languages. But it specifically did not say you have the freedom to learn History or Geography or Mathematics or Science in your mother tongue.

Again let me stress here, you have the right to learn and teach your mother tongue. Full stop. The Constitution did not say you have the right to LEARN any other subjects in your mothertongue.

And the term “official purposes” clearly clarifies the situation further. It means, whatever the Government thinks is ‘official’, and especially if it deemed to be in the domain of public (read: majority) authority.

Thus, does the majority think the existence of vernacular schools, where the learning of most subjects are carried out not in the national language, are in line with the Constitution? Does the government feel that the vernacular schools fall under what we call as an ‘official’ education system? How can we have 3 education systems, with three separate languages as the medium of learning within one country?

It does not make sense!

The government must act on what it feels will be good for the social harmony and unity of the nation. Unpopular decisions must be made in order to have a progressive and unified citizenry.

Other communities and their languages are protected in the Constitution.

That is why, Datuk Mukhriz’s suggestion which include the compulsory teaching of other languages in the national schools is laudable enough and importantly, in line with Article 152 of the Constitution. He had said:

“I also said that languages like Mandarin and Tamil should be made compulsory in national schools for those who consider it their mother tongue, and optional for those who don’t.”

Now, with the aim of national unity among all races and the closer integration between our diverse cultural background, the plans in strengthening and improving the national schools must be considered as one of the highest priority of the incoming Prime Minister. As a former education minister himself, he must put a stop in all these grumbling by a few clustered people and some potshots from the opposition

The Constitition, being the supreme law in the land (by virtue of Article 4) can empower the government to rethink and restrategise our education system.  Even to amend the Education Act 1996.

And to think Lim Kit Siang could threaten people with Sedition Act for calling the abolishment of vernacular schools! Clearly what he said was only to gain political mileage.

Since he and the rest of the Pakatan Rakyat leaders promised to uphold the Constitution, I do hope, as a new year resolution, he would actually mean it.

At the same time, the government must ensure that the national school system is improved to the same standard it has back in the olden days where students were thought driven, and not so much being exam-centric.

The Prime Minister must be strong enough to tell the people within the education system machinery that national schools must be made attractive to EVERYONE and to act on it as well. There should be certain KPIs be set on the Education Ministry in order to harness and monitor the sort of result and performance we dearly need.

For instance, after the announcement of Penyata Razak II 2009 [just to be slightly presumptuous here], where steps in making the national schools more attractive and above all, making them the best education system in the country are implemented, a checklist will be issued out to all parents in ensuing whether the Education Ministry are really serious in implementing those set standards and initiatives. And after two  or three years (to coincide right before the next general election), the parents can see whether the Prime Minister and the Education Minister have delivered what they had promised; – a better education system vis-a-vis a greater national unity.

Hopefully, this will see the creation of Bangsa Malaysia by the year 2020 onwards.

There is no use of seeing students getting 18As in their SPM examinations but failed to integrate and social well with the rest of the people after leaving school.

Also, further rhetorics from Anwar Ibrahim, Lim Kit Siang and their pack of clustered people will lose its significance. Even currently, after riding much of the popularity attained from the last general election, people are starting to see that, in its aftermath, they are nothing more than empty vessels shooting from the hip most of the time.

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Footnote: The Education Act 1996 clearly stated in its mission policy:

“AND WHEREAS the above policy is to be executed through a national system of education which provides for the national language to be the main medium of instruction, a National Curriculum and common examinations; the education provided being varied and comprehensive in scope and which will satisfy the needs of the nation as well as promote national unity through cultural, social, economic and political development in accordance with the principles of Rukunegara

And the first aspiration in Rukunegara is ‘mencapai perpaduan yang lebih erat di kalangan seluruh masyarakatnya’ .

That is why I see no logic in the Education policy of Malaysia. At one hand, it desire Malaysia to have unity among the races but on the other hand, it tries to defeat the Constitution and Rukunegara by allowing (not yet mandatory) vernacular school systems. To this end, I urge the Government to relook into the Education law as it does not conform to the spirit of the Constitution. Thank you.

82 thoughts on “New year resolutions

  1. Salam tuan..!

    Selamat Tahun Baru 2009 dan maal Hijrah 1430! Dan terima kasih kerana telah linkkan article saya ke dalam posting tuan sini.

    Terima kasih

    ikhlas,

    Hidup Tuah!

    darahtuah.wordpress.com

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  2. Dear JMD
    Happy New Year and all that is best for you and family.
    Wow, what an eye opener. I feel sure that what you have written is a gem. Judging from what is happening now,most of us Malaysians are not aware of this part of our constitution or for that matter, some other part of our Constitution as well. It seemed that we have taken so much trouble to write our constitution and after that conveniently “lock” it away. As if we are scared of what we have written.
    They say knowledge is power. How nice if this article is written in Bahasa Malaysia and made 27 million copies and distributed as a flyer or some thing for all Malaysian to read. Then we can understand our Goverment is not trying to do thing against our Constitution.
    On a different note in order for us Malaysian to know and understand our Constitution, the simplified version should be taught in school. All of us must be familiar with our Constitution. It is our right as it involves us directly.
    Please dont say it is unnecessary since it is already accesible for all Malaysian. Some of us are not familiar with its legal terms . It should be explained, as in school.
    If this is already taught in school, I apologise.

    mohamed

    JMD : Thank you En. Mohamed for the comment.

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  3. Happy New Year and Salam Maal Hijrah 1430H to JMD & family,
    Lim Kit Siang never surrender unless Malaysia become Singapore No 2.. he never surrender if Malaysia rules by Malay (He think Malay ‘so damn stupid’ compare to him and his family and his royal race).

    He said Putrajaya as a wastage but now he in hurry to place himself in Putrajaya with Anwar. Mukhriz’s idea too good for him because he think Malay can’t teach their childrens proper. This may sound racist but for sure it’s for real.

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  4. Dear JEBAT,

    WE WANT ONE SCHOOL FOR ONE MALAYSIAN PEOPLE.
    NOT 3, 4, 5 schools, its mad, crazy, none in the world, something must be wrong somwhere. CORRECTION RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE .!!!!!
    Let us FIGHT first and SMILE later. hahaha

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  5. Dato Mukhriz’s streamlined education idea? Or you mean Tun Mahathir’s idea?

    JMD : What is your point in all this? Suddenly the meaning of pettiness comes much more real to me – just shallow people, who cannot come up with something of substance and so, they have to drum up petty things..🙂 Happy new year!

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  6. Hidup Jebat! Patriot Malaysia.

    Your blog inspires me, long and deep in substance and short on rhetorics.

    Lim Kit Siang will turn white when he reads your latest enlighthening post, he is sounding like a broken record for years now, I think his time to retire is up already. Probably he is just waiting for the cue from his mentor Lee Kuan Yew.

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  7. Hey i think streamline ok. But medium of instruction english. hasbullah, a blogger, suggested mothertongue educaction ends at primary 4/5. I feel that’s acceptable as everyone seems to think that it’s impossible to study in a “foreign” tongue. just my two cents.

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  8. Dear JMD,

    Happy New Year!

    I just love holidays : )

    I’m afraid the government could not do what you suggested. Thanks to Najib statement : “Vernacular schools will continue to exist for as long as the chinese and indian need it.” That’s mean forever…

    SkyForce

    JMD : True. But not many chinese and indians are pro vernacular schools either. Thank you.

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  9. Salam Bro JMD

    yup,zero logic to defend the “Jenis” system…

    I wonder why the big bosses are so afraid to handle the issue head on…
    Fear of losing Chinese and Indian votes? How much is that? Will it swing the current Government to a new one?

    And will the “prospective” candidates be shouting on top of their voice in PRU13 that we WILL bring back “vernacular” schools if you vote us? For real..

    Grow some balls please, this is the future of our nation we are talking about, and i DO NOT LIKE CHILDREN TO BE USED AS POLITICAL PROPAGANDA TOOLS

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  10. When will people stop taking LKS seriously. He behaves like school kid in the parliament, and have been doing so for so long that he should have been sent to some school on manners.

    I agree wholeheartedly on your last plea: “To this end, I urge the Government to relook into the Education law as it does not conform to the spirit of the Constitution.” Great conclusion.

    Looking forward to more enlightening pieces from you this year. Happy New Year to you and your family.

    My satirical roundup of last years political scene.

    http://grouchydays.blogspot.com/2008/12/good-riddance-2008.html

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  11. I think there is very little national issue for the politicians to play up. Therefore they continue to keep this “race card” in their arsenal to be used when they run out of ideas. Instead of also looking at the basic needs of people, job, home, food, security, safety, comfort etc. within their own constituency they instead prefer looking at national platforms to further their own ends.

    Look around us and see the number of potholed streets, the lack of decent burial grounds, poorly located places of worship, poorly located schools where children dice with death on a daily basis just for the sake of education, people without decent homes or living in squalid conditions, the hardcore poor etc etc etc. If they are truly working for the people, these issues (which may not get them on the front page of newspapers) should be at the forefront of their service to the people.

    Instead they are just working and working very hard towards “bribing”, “cajoling” or “forcing” freely and democratically elected members of parliament to switch sides. That’s working for the people?

    Once in a while I wish that our elected representative will also look at the smaller picture too instead of only the big picture. See how some people in their constituencies are suffering on a daily basis. Force for an efficient and proactive local council, that’s an issue that I will support.

    Other issues that can be looked into that I will support. Stopping truancy by engaging more with the children. Understanding the needs of the children and protecting them from the negative elements to protect and nurture our future generations. Work towards that instead.

    That’s my wish from the many many elected representatives that we have from both sides of the divide. And maybe just maybe I may believe on the rhetoric to forge a caring progressive nation etc. Stop becoming a barnstormer and live to become an elderly statesman like the late Tan Sri Dr. Tan Chee Khoon, the Mr Opposition himself. Highly respected and much loved.

    JMD : Thank you for the comment. Hence, if we take care of the small things, the big things will take care by itself. And vice versa as well. If we make the national schools more interesting and can inculcate the sense of belonging from the students, then surely truancy cases will be decreased. I am of course generalising the solutions here since of course, I am not the head of research of our education system. What is important is that we recognise the fact that streamlining our education system and improving it at the same time is vital to have a progressive and unified nation in the future. We are indeed at a crossroads here. Therefore it is imperative for the PM to kickstart a review of our education system immediately.

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  12. JMD,

    “The government must act on what it feels will be good for the social harmony and unity of the nation. Unpopular decisions must be made in order to have a progressive and unified citizenry”

    Fully support your resolution, but are our politicians, educationist (and it’s extremist groups), PIW Anwar up to it. They have already threatened to launch a massive protest over English for science and Maths. Imagine if this proposal is brought up forcefully.

    Najib, to be fair, is afraid of the current overiding sentiments on the ground against BN, hence is careful. We need another Mahathir in power to force this through.

    This will only happen when leaders in their own communities accepts the fact, come out of their denial, and forces a change. That, is not likely to happen in our generation with Kit Siangs, Dong Jiao Zong, Hindraf, PKR Indians leaders, Samy Vellus and the likes are still around.

    Regards

    http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/

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  13. Bangsa Malaysia itu sendiri adalah suatu retorika. Matlamat yang sebenarnya adalah perpaduan. Perpaduan tidak semestinya tercapai dengan penghapusan bangsa yang sedia ada dan pembentukan bangsa yang baru. Perpaduan mampu dihasilkan melalui pembentukan masyarakat yang saling memahami antara bangsa-bangsa yang ada di dalamnya. Dengan menjaja istilah Bangsa Malaysia untuk mewujudkan perpaduan, gambaran yang terbentuk ialah penghapusan identiti bangsa yang telah wujud sejak berzaman untuk melahirkan suatu bangsa baru. Perpaduan adalah matlamat utamanya dan istilah Bangsa Malaysia yang terlalu digembar-gemburkan boleh menenggelamkan matlamat utama itu sendiri.

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  14. Happy New Year JMD,

    You said,

    “Again let me stress here, you have the right to learn and teach your mother tongue. Full stop. The Constitution did not say you have the right to LEARN any other subjects in your mothertongue.”

    If I not mistaken, the Constitution also doesn’t PROHIBITED the people to learn and teach other subjects in their mothertongue, right?

    The government believes by teaching Science and Mathematic in English can increase the English proficiency level; it is a joke if you do not agree with them but the reality is many people are supporting this policy.

    The very same theory can be applied to the mothertounge teaching in other subjects, if you also happen to believe in it.

    Does this violate the Constitution? Isn’t it part of the goal of “learn and teach mothertounge” (as granted by the Constitution) is to improve the proficiency level in the said language?

    I’m not a die heart fan of the vernacular schools; I just want to let you know that the Federal Constitution could be also interpreted in a different way than yours.

    Finally, wish you a very Happy and Properous 2009 New Year.

    JMD : Thank you for the comment. The usage of other languages, fall under the clause 1(a) of Article 152 which clearly stated – “no person shall be prohibited or prevented from using (otherwise than for official purposes)” and official purposes means what the government think is official and that does not contravene with what the public think is good for them.

    Does teaching children in school not fall under what we term is ‘official’? And does that impedes the majority wishes to see a more streamlined education?
    Only you can answer that. I stated this very same thing in this article. Please reread.

    Let me make it simpler; the usage of Mandarin and Tamils as the medium of instruction in their respective schools are against the Constitution because education system is ‘official’ and since they are using Mandarin and Tamil for official purposes, therefore, it is imperative that the government reexamine this issue because if I chose to rephrase the Constitution without losing its meaning, it would be – ‘people shall be prohibited and prevented from using other languages for official purposes’.

    But to TEACH the mothertongue language or to LEARN them is not prohibited by Constitution. Thus, we can learn them as optional subjects in the national schools.

    As you may know, Constitution does indeed not prohibit the use of mothertongues. But it cannot be done in ‘official circumstances’.

    That is why, I see no sense when people citing the Sedition Act for abolishing vernacular schools. It is indeed not against the Constitution.

    As for the use of English in Maths and Science subjects, please read my reply to Aniseed below.

    Before our brains blow out from this legal mumbo jumbo, I would say thank you for the new year wish and hope you had a good start indeed.

    Thank you.

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  15. Lim Kit Siang talking about Malaysian Malaysia ?? Was he kidding or what ?

    He can’t even speak Bahasa Malaysia properly … he should be ashamed to call himself Malaysian. The way he speaks Bahasa Malaysia he should have disqualified from being a Malaysian MP.

    If he is in the US he won’t qualify for citizenship if he speaks English like he speaks Bahasa Malaysia … let alone to be a members of US lawmakers.

    And for those Malay politicians who are in power … don’t be ‘kambing dicucuk hidung’ all the time. Please be ‘harimau’ once a while. Think about the future of MALAYSIA.

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  16. JMD,

    You cite the Constitution saying Malay shall be used for ‘official purpose’, including any purpose of the Government and any purpose of a public authority.

    National schools come under the ambit of ‘official purpose’ (don’t you think?), and therefore Math and Science must be taught in BM.

    Gapena had given the government until Dec 31 to decide whether it would continue the teaching of the two subjects in English, or it would take action, including taking the matter to court.

    The deadline has passed; so I hope Gapena will rightly sue the government. Would France teach Math and Science in English to improve French children’s command of English? Would Japan teach Math and Science in English to improve Japanese children’s command of English? Where is the logic?

    And which other country in the world would ban the use of its own national language, such as the ban imposed on Catholic Herald’s publication in Bahasa for the Christian bumiputera? The weekly paper has threatened legal action against the government too.

    Thank you & regards, JMD.

    JMD : Through this comment of yours, I see that the demands by Gapena (have not read fully about this) is similar to the demands of Dong Jiao Zong to revert the teaching of Maths and Science in Mandarin. As stated by your goodself, would Malaysia teach their children Maths and Science in Mandarin? Absolutely not then.

    But here where the crux of the matter is. The term ‘official purposes’. If the government feel that the use of English as the medium to learn Maths and Science in our school system, is within the ambit of ‘official purposes’, then so be it. Please refer to my reply of the comment made by Ngnglee above.

    You see, the sole reason to streamline the school system is that our children will study together under one roof. In turn, this will create awareness of each other. Have you read examples of our children feeling unease about each other in the past commentaries by readers in my previous articles?

    That is why, in order to make our children to study together, the national school system need to improve itself and the vernacular schools to be abolished in time. Bahasa Malaysia/Melayu will then be the main medium of instruction in this streamlined education system with English to be used in Maths and Science class while other languages will be taught as optional subjects (I heard this is proving to be a success, as the recent PRM result had shown). That, to me is the ideal education system that Malaysia should have. Very much like the school system in the countries you stated above. As you are aware, they do not have vernacular schools there.

    The last paragraph, which had nothing to do with the schooling system issue we are talking about had been dealt in the commentary section of the blog here.

    Thank you.

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  17. Salam,
    Been a silent reader of your blog for a while now.
    Good piece. I have always supported the idea of a single schooling system. You are correct, not all non malays are fans of vernacular schools. I can vouch for that.

    While I fully understand and support your point of view in the need for reshaping our education system as a progressive and unifying step forward for our nation, I hope we do not forget another form of segregation that currently exist. One that takes the brightest Malay students away from our national schools. The likes of Asrama penuhs and MRSMs . No doubt it does serve its purpose for affirmative action but surely it is another form of racial segregation.

    JMD : MRSMs segregates the best of Malay students and took about 10% bright students from other communities as well. The places are limited and that is why many other bright Malay students could not enter MRSMs. Also, many Malay students who did not join MRSMs did even better than the students in MRSMs as well. For this, what Datuk Seri Najib had said was appropriate here. What is important, the main medium of instruction in this school system is still the Malay language. Nevertheless, I cannot stress enough that the primary education of our kids be united under one education system where the first 6 years of their lives (what we call as the impressionable age)in primary school allow them to intermingle with each other.

    Thank you.

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  18. JMD : IN HINDSIGHT, THIS BLOG HAS TO CENSOR THE COMMENTS MADE BY THIS COMMENTATOR AS IT IS TOO OBSCENE AND RUDE TO BE READ BY OTHERS. IN ADDITION, IT HAD GENERATED SEVERE BACKLASH FROM OTHER COMMENTATORS IN REPLYING TO THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT. MY APOLOGIES HERE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STATE HERE THAT THERE ARE RACIST PEOPLE OUT THERE BENT ON SPREADING HATRED TOWARDS THE MAJORITY PEOPLE HERE IN MALAYSIA.

    To read it, please go to this link:

    http://arahkita.blogspot.com/2006/08/khairy-sedia-letak-jawatan.html

    The comment made here is the same like the commentator called ‘low class mental’ made more than two years ago in the commentary section. Thank you.

    JMD (my original reply to Cooloc) : Coolooc / vesewe / coolman / ruyom, thank you for the comment. I’m of the ‘pathetic’ race look up to you in awe and great humility. Thank you for showing me your thoughts. Now go report back to your bosses that I have approved your comment and hopefully your comment here will influence more people to follow you. Have a nice day copy pasting comments.

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  19. JMD,

    What Jebat Must Die has said is full of substance and should be appreciated, not only by all Malaysians who want a united Malaysia but also, the opposition party members.

    Governing a country with opposition is never easy.

    The role of the opposition party is to check and stop the government from going out of step, which would subsequently cause economic miseries to the people they represent. If the ideas and plans of the government will benefit the nation and despite this, the opposition steps in to voice its discontentment and start protesting, the true meaning of democracy is lost.

    Since Malaysia is a country with a plural society, only education can unite the various ethnic groups through education. Education has to start with the school-going children, at a very young age and not wait till they become adults.

    As already spelt out, the teaching of the mother-tongue is a right, whereas the teaching of other subjects in the vernacular should be deemed to be a bonus. If the bonus is there to stay, the future unity of Malaysia will never come about.

    Great leadership with a firm undertaking to implement what is best for the future of the nation may cause some pain today but when tomorrow comes there will be smiles all round. If the opposition cannot see this eye to eye with the government, it proves only one thing: the opposition has their own interest in mind, rather than the interest of all Malaysians, irrespective of race and religion. Than to risk the future of Malaysia, the opposition should put up or shut up. If they still believe that they want a disunited Malaysia, then it is only proper that these unscrupulous elements be rounded up and placed where they should ideally belong.

    For the good of all Malaysians, it is hoped the next leader, as well as, the education minister will have a back-bone and not entertain any rumour-mongering.

    JMD : Thank you for this comment.

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  20. I agree w Bulan. In addition, LKS’s (n Lee Kuan Yew’s) call of Malaysian Malaysia sounds very hollow right now.. whatever d virtues DAP stands for all these years (poverty reduction, good education, etc) r NOT BEING PRACTISED in d state governments they r in control of. It’s all about promoting chinese chauvism here n there… like Jed said , it’s all about their bread n butter issues…

    Keep up d good work JMD… God bless.

    JMD : Thank you for the comment.

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  21. TERIMA KASIH kepada JMD kerana mendedahkan seekor lagi ******* Cina yang menggunakan nickname cooloc. AGaknya mak bapak *** dia dari dia kecik lagi dah didik dia meludah orang Melayu.

    JMD : Comments moderated with apologies.

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  22. @ Cooloc

    If you prefer that Mlaaysia to be still being ruled by the British, I call upon you to relinquish your Malaysian citizenship and GET THE HELL OUT of Malaysia. The ones who are the most STUPID and IDIOT of all are the ones liek YOU. If you feel like can’t even live with the majority group of th country, then GET LOST !!!

    @ JMD

    kenapa perlu nak berbunga-bunga lagi dengan m*****f**k*r macam Cooloc dan sewaktu dengannya? Ingat diorang nak faham ke? Nanti dia baca dia ingat anda puji dia pula!! TAK PERLU nak berbunga-bunga dengan ***** ******* macam si COOLOC ni!!!

    JMD : I got you Joe. Just chill. Thank you.

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  23. JMD,

    What a way to start the new year, with a BANG!

    Let’s hope the people in power truly make it happen and have the will to see through it rather than continue to placate a few people.

    The good thing that has come out of the all this is the spotlight on the oppositions themselves – magnifying their warts and true colours for all to see. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot every time they make a statement. If BN shapes up and play their cards right like how you’ve pointed out, the next GE will see a full swing back to them.

    Was talking to a Nepali and found that they only have electricity in their homes for 12 hours a day and you have to wait in line for months for a ‘tong’ of gas. That’s when I realised despite all the government’s misadventures, the country provides the basic necessity for everyone as long as they put in their fair share of work. We should really be thankful for the piped water and electricity made available to almost everyone, and not forgetting the education system, no matter how fragmented it is, has been a stepping stone to greater heights for so many who has gone through it.

    Granted things can be better and we should strive to improve how things are around here but it is clear for all to see that we are not denied with opportunities and fundamentals to equip ourselves for the world. And while the effort continues to have a uniform education system for all, in the meantime let us harvest the diversity and come out with something that is truly Malaysiana.

    Peace to all, even the haters.😉

    JMD : Thank you and happy new year!

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  24. Have read LKS new year message. What is so misleading about it? He is stating his opinion which he is entitled to. And if the opposition oppose, well, that’s their job isn’t it? Isn’t dissent part of democracy? Of course it hurts when people don’t agree with you, but often it allows you to see a point of view that maybe you did not consider before. And nobody is always right.
    I’m here to read your point of view, but I also visit Haris Ibrahim et al to understand their thoughts. Hopefully I will be more informed when I make a decision. That’s all.
    Lets keep it on the level, otherwise only likeminded people will come here and you may lose the ‘unconverted’.

    Happy New Year!

    JMD : I think I am entitled to my opinion as well? However, my opinion about his message was substantiated by my own arguments. Hence, if LKS is entitled with his opinion, other people are allowed to rebut his with their own opinion. By the way, dissent is not actually part of democracy. Democracy allows opposing views but consensus in decision making are obtained from the voice of majority. When the majority has decided, the minority must accept the decision wholeheartedly and work together with the majority to achieve the goal of that certain decision. That is democracy.

    Dissenting without due regards to the majority decision is not in the spirit of democracy especially when the minority is trying to create tension and impose their own idealogy / agenda to the bigger majority. What the opposition had taught Malaysians (speak up and demonstrate against the majority etc.) is certainly against the true spirit of democracy. There are other ways to go about it.

    Thank you Joe.

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  25. JMD,

    1. Kajian telah membuktikan bahawa pembelajaran di kalangan kanak-kanak adalah paling berkesan bilamana bahasa ibunda merupakan bahasa pengantar.

    2. Ramai murid sekolah kebangsaan terutamanya di luar bandar, dan termasuk budak Orang Asli serta bumiputera di Sabah dan Sarawak, tiada pendedahan kepada BI di rumah.

    3. ’Dah lah mereka keterbelakang dalam B. Inggeris, sekarang ‘ni ketinggalan pula dalam Matematik & Sains kerana kedua-dua matapelajaran diajar dalam bahasa asing; apatah lagi guru sendiri tak reti cakap orang putih, ’cam mana nak didik anak buah? Saya pernah terima lembar iklan (dicampak ke dalam peti surat) daripada cikgu Melayu yang menawarkan tuisyen BI: Matematik & Sains tetapi pengumuman ringkas ’tu pun mengandungi kesalahanan nahu.

    4. Budak di bangku sekolah sekadar kena ada pemahaman tahap asas; bukannya dikehendaki menulis tesis. Walaupun betul bahan rujukan kebanyakan dalam B.Ing, kanak-kanak berumur 7, 8, 9 tahun tak diminta buat pengkhususan ijazah dalam Matematik & Sains; justeru itu, wajar dan memadai BM sebagai saluran ilmu. Tengok budak Taiwan dan Korea yang terbaik di dunia dalam pencapaian Matematik & Sains – mereka tak belajar dalam BI.

    5. Perbelanjaan projek ‘BI: Matematik & Sains’ sejumlah RM3.2 bilion dalam tempoh pelaksanaannya lima tahun lepas (dimaklumkan kepada Dewan Rakyat pada bulan Mei). Sebahagian besar wang itu habis beli peralatan ICT … kononnya.

    6. Beberapa bilion lagi masih diperuntukan belanjawan bagi projek ini, memang berbaloi sekiranya ia diteruskan! Bayanglah: Alih bahasa, ubaisuai sukatan pelajaran, cetak buku teks baru, edar teaching aids, anjur kursus, latih semula guru, dan pelbagai lagi kos perlu dibiayai. Berbilion-bilion-bilion ringgit ditabur — pihak mana yang dapat imbuhan dan kaut untung daripada kontrak?

    7. Cuba JMD fikirkan. Terima kasih.

    JMD : Whoa biar betul Aniseed! Kasihan sungguh kepada kaum bukan Melayu yang bersekolah di dalam sekolah aliran bahasa Inggeris dan Bahasa Melayu di dalam tahun 60an, 70an, 80an hingga sekarang. Mereka nampaknya tidak dapat belajar dengan baik di dalam sekolah tersebut kerana tidak dapat belajar di dalam bahsa ibunda mereka! Kajian apa yang dimaksudkan itu?🙂 Walaubagaimanapun, terima kasih kerana berfikiran yang agak sama dengan saya yakni, hanya satu bahasa perlu dijadikan bahasa utama sebagai bahasa pengantar di sekolah sekolah di Malaysia iaitu Bahasa Malaysia. Dengan ini, apabila sekolah vernakular lama kelamaan hilang pengaruhnya, anak anak kita boleh bersekolah dan bersosial sesama mereka dengan lebih rapat lagi. Bahasa Inggeris perlu juga diterapkan kerana jika kita hendak mengejar negara maju, kita perlu berusaha dua kali ganda lebih kuat untuk menyamai mereka.

    Ada satu article yang mungkin berkaitan dengan perbincangan kita:

    http://chedet.co.cc/chedetblog/2009/01/in-response.html

    Terima kasih.

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  26. JMD,

    Adik saya merupakan seorang guru di salah sebuah SJKC di negeri Perak. Apa yg memeranjatkan beliau apabila mula mengajar BM di sekolah tersebut. Boleh dikatakan tidak ada seorang pun murid2nya yg boleh berbahasa Melayu dgn betul mahupun dengan fasihnya.

    Dan kebanyakan murid2nya melihat dia dgn pandangan yg ‘suspicious’ disebabkan beliau seorang MELAYU. Sebelum ini guru2 yg mengajar BM adalah daripada kalangan bangsa CINA.

    Begitulah teruknya tahap SJKC yg dibangga-banggakan oleh puak2 RACIST HIPOKRIT tersebut.

    Memang CONFIRM Malaysia tidak akan boleh bersatu jika kanak2 yg masih kecil ini tidak disatukan melalui sistem persekolahan 1 aliran.

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  27. JMD,

    One more.. aku nak tergelak bila RAICIST tak sedar diri tu ckp Sekolah Vernakuler kena dikekalkan untuk menggalakkan PERPADUAN. Wakakakakaka

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  28. Salam JMD,

    Satu artikel yang bernas. Ya, bergantung kepada jenis pemimpin yang kita ada, mereka yang mencorakkan arah tuju rakyat. Susahla kalau Najib juga tidak punya pendirian yang tegas, terlalu pentingkan personal ratings. Berita TV tadi tunjukkan Najib berikan ‘blessings’ kepada vernacular schools dalam bentuk ratusan ribu RM … uh oh, tolonglah not another paklah in the making !!

    Pemimpin sekarang terlalu fikirkan survival politik peribadi. Mereka hanya utamakan perancangan jangka pendek, yang mana hasilnya segera, dan mampu menaikkan nama mereka dalam waktu singkat. Tidak seperti TDM yang berfikiran jauh, merangka strategi melangkaui usianya, menunjukkan peribadi seorang pemimpin yang lebih mementingkan bangsa dan rakyat dari diri sendiri.

    Kanak2 sekarang kalau tidak dipupuk pergaulan antara kaum dari kecil, akan lebih ramailah LKS in the making. Apalagi cara yang lebih praktikal selain dari SATU sekolah dan SATU bahasa. Seperti ramai kanak2 Islam yang mengambil kelas tambahan fardu ain selepas sesi sekolah, kanak2 berlainan bangsa juga boleh mengambil kelas tambahan untuk mereka terus mempelajari bahasa ibunda dan budaya masing2. Apa yang penting, sedari kecil mereka didedahkan pada pergaulan antara kaum, saling menghormati, dan saling mempelajari pelbagai budaya yang ada di negara sendiri. Ini dengan sendirinya akan menghakis sifat buruk yang mendalangi masalah perkauman sekarang – sifat curiga antara kaum.

    Untuk mencapai matlamat tersebut perlukan masa yang panjang dan itu menjadi masalah kepada pemimpin sekarang. Mereka hanya pentingkan pelan yang mampu memberi hasil dalam tempoh 4 tahun saja, untuk dijadikan modal berkempen dalam PRU.

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  29. Dear JMD,

    Saya tak faham apa yang awak ingin buktikan. selama ini, sejauh mana saya tahu kaum bukan melayu boleh berinteraksi dengan kaum lain,khususnya dengan kaum melayu tanpa apa apa masalah. Saya setuju, tujuan penubuhan sekolah wawasan ialah untuk memupuk perpaduan kaum. Bila ada 3 jenis sekolah dalam satu kawasan, maka murid murid dapat bercampur gaul dan dengan itu perpaduan kaum mudah tercapai. Ia tidak seperti yang kamu laung laungkan–hapuskan sekolah cina/tamil supaya kaum bukan melayu hanya mempelajari bahasa malaysia, dengan itu perpaduan kaum tercapai. Saya kurang faham dengan rasional awak.
    Awak rasa dengan satu aliran bahasa, perpaduan mesti tercapai. Saya rasa tidak, sebab NEP masih akan diteruskan dengan diskriminasinya, orang orang Melayu masih akan diberikan keistimewaan dan keutamaan, sekolah sekolan Mrsm dan Uitm masih akan diteruskan. Awak ingat bila orang bukan Melayu setuju dengan satu aliran–maka perpaduan akan lebih kukuh. You must be kidding-Systematic discrimination will still continue and you think the non malays will be happy–they were born and bred here but are still subjected to all type of discrimination.

    JMD : Boy, you are really a hateful person aren’t you? Hate fills your heart that you would just throw away a viable solution of long term unity just because you do not agree with the affirmative action. Just because of this affirmative action, you had said there is no way unity would still be achieved eventhough we streamlined the education of our children into one standardised education system. You may agree with the Sekolah Wawasan concept, but many of the extremists did not agree with it. They played with sentiments of the non Malays and the idea was quickly shot down by the minority. It seems that the idea of unity is an anthema among these extremists. And so, that idea was left on the shelf, nearly forgotten.

    Recently, Umno Youth brought it up again – read here:

    http://politickler.com/2008/12/02/beri-peluang-penubuhan-semula-sekolah-wawasan/

    Hopefully everyone, including you will sincerely support Sekolah Wawasan. Speaking about sincerity in voicing out the calls of unity and equality, it seems that the opposition had never been sincere in their own slogan. When Datuk Mukhriz said that our education system needs to be streamlined in order to avoid further polarisation, they all immediately cited Sedition Act (a wrong conjecture) on him.

    I guess education system where our kids can grow up together for at least 10 years of their life is not that important as compared to your call of abolishing NEP. You are very wrong here. Affirmative action is of different issue altogether. If you had known this blog, you would know that I do not support the NEP running forever.

    However, I am amazed that you fullheartedly support the continuous existence of Tamil schools here in Malaysia. I find that quite peculiar because, all Indians I have met do not support it. Certainly I have never met any of my Indian friends in my line of work who came from Tamil schools. Maybe just a coincidence.

    To know more about my stand on the NEP, please read this article here and also the commentary section. Maybe it could help to enlighten you a bit.

    https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/matters-of-the-malaysian-heart/

    Thank you.

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  30. JMD,

    Thank you for indulging my switching back and forth between English & Malay.

    You are correct that our positions are aligned: One school system, BM as medium of instruction. Therefore we should have only ONE exam system and no more the Matriculation-STPM dichotomy.

    Yes, you’re right. Phase out vernacular education. At the same time, phase out residential schools and Mara Junior Science Colleges as these institutions being largely mono-racial segregate our children in the same way. They – Chinese, Tamil, Mara, residential schools – should all become ‘one-roof’ national schools.

    Now, on what you say about those who attended English school in the 1960s-80s: These Malay/Chinese/Indian would be in their mid-50s and younger in age today.

    Anyone conversing with the older segment of this cohort will find that these guys speak good English (tak kiralah Melayu ke, Cina ke, India ke) because, I’m guessing, they had good teachers who taught good English. Those teachers – the La Salle brothers, the convent sisters and other old timers who were steeped in the milieu – are no more. The mission schools have also lost their character.

    Instead what we now have is a new generation of teachers who evidently do not match up to the standards of that era past. And what we’re doing is compelling our present lot of Math & Science teachers (whose English is even more inadequate than the present lot of English language teachers) to instruct their subjects in a foreign tongue.

    The measure of standards is also different then and now. Someone who had 7As in his MCE would have been an excellent student; today you get students scoring 21As in his SPM. The quality of an MCE ‘A’ in English is miles apart from the quality of an SPM ‘A’ in English; this is easily proven by comparing the difficulty of the exam paper.

    Having said the above, I’m still assuming that once again our positions are aligned: It was the morally correct thing to do shifting from English to BM.

    “Many studies have shown children do better if they get a basic education in their own language.” — UNESCO
    http://portal.unesco.org/education/en/ev.php-URL_ID=20280&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

    The reasons why I believe national schools should teach Math & Science in BM are straightforward:

    (1) We both support BM as the medium of instruction and its status as national language
    (2) BM is the mother tongue of the majority of kids, including the non-Malay bumiputera, or even if not, BM is our lingua franca and English is not our mother tongue
    (3) When our Math-Science teachers were in teacher’s training college, they were not taught to teach English or in English;
    (5) The kids learn better in BM – most certainly the rural ones do
    (6) As I said in my earlier comment, we’re talking about 7 year olds, 11 year olds, or even 15 year olds. They’re not specializing in Math & Science. We want them to have a working knowledge of these subjects, not write doctoral theses where they need to access English reference material and Nobel Prize abstracts.

    I’m outraged that billions and billions of ringgit is being spent on a language switch and what more, a switch away from BM, especially when there are schools that have no electricity supply and not enough desks and chairs, and poor students can’t afford textbooks.

    And c.f. Che Det, don’t tell me that Petronas money is better spent on prestige projects like the Philharmonic Orchestra and Formula One, and not national projects like public libraries and language training so that we can have scientific publications translated into BM, or for that matter more output from Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka.

    The biggest bookshops in the country — Borders in Berjaya Times Square and MPH in MidValley – do not even stock a DBP Malay-English dictionary.

    And I repeat my earlier observation made here: Where does teaching Math and Science in English jive with our Constitutional provisions on language?

    Sekali lagi terima kasih dan salam hormat.

    JMD : No worries Aniseed. Switching back and forth between English and Malay is like second nature for me🙂 Glad someone whom had not always been in tandem with my thinking would actually be in agreement with me once in a while. *hugs* :p

    Anyway, regarding the MRSM, I think one of the avenues within the affirmative action is not the main proponent of racial polarisation. These colleges are small in numbers (less than 20) as compared to the thousands of national schools that will be the backbone of our education system.

    You are right when you said the teachers of yesteryears were way better than our present ones (maybe there are still few good and dedicated ones presently) but that probably is one of the solution. Empower our teachers. Why not send the teachers into motivational camps during the semester breaks or send them to intensive English Language programs? Probably, in the long run, the children of today who had learned English in two other subjects, will grow up to be adequately conversant as an English, Maths or Science teachers. As I do not have a crystal ball, I do not know what will precisely happen in the future. But perhaps, the encouraging PMR results recently did give us a glimmer of hope. Anyway, I must thank you profusely for giving me the link to that Unesco article. Very enligthening indeed.

    If I may, that article described the situation of countries with growing minorities that are demanding more and more rights to speak and learn their mothertongue in the countries they reside in.

    Very much similar to the situation Malaya (then Malaysia) when Malaya was the melting pot for immigrants to come and eventually they became settled as Malayans. After independence, they demand learning of mothertongue languages be continued and allowable in the Constitution.

    How ironic that is because currently, the minorities in those countries mentioned in that Unesco article are pushing for avenues to learn their mothertongues in their schools.

    As we all know, nearly all countries in the world do not have vernacular schools. All children must learn and use the official language of that particular country.

    In other words, in those country say, France, the French language is the ‘bahasa ibunda’ of their citizens regardless of their ethnicity. Everyone there accepted this fact. If you are of chinese descent and at the same time an Italian citizen, it is against the law to declare mandarin as your ‘bahasa ibunda’. It should be Italian.

    In Mali for instance, for the lonngest time, had taught their children in French. French was the unifying factor for its people. They had 23 local languages representing each ethnic in that country. Unity among the ethnic tribes was effectively created through the French language.

    Here in Malaysia, Bahasa Melayu is not the ‘bahasa ibunda’ for all the communities. Thus, little by little, polarisation derived from the usage of different languages occurs.

    Thus, I think Unesco should make further research on this. If they take Malaysia as a model and project what would happen to those countries 50 years down the road, then it may not yield a good, veritable result.

    But retrospectively, if those countries do provide avenues for learning the mothertongue in their official education system, then the risk of disappearing languages will be mitigated surely. Unesco for years had strived to protect the culture and languages of world ethnic people. I think this good effort may not take into account the impact on years to come; in lieu of possible ethnic polarisation.

    But in that article, I like the best part which stated:

    To be teaching tools, they must go beyond just describing the legends of the forest and be able to handle things such as scientific plant evolution and the greenhouse effect,?says Ibrahim Sidibe, a programme specialist with UNESCO’s Division of Basic Education. But how can a language come up with new words to describe a computer programme or an Internet browser when it is kept out of the mainstream and confined to daily conversation?

    The languages spoken in the former Soviet republics had tough competition from Russian for about 70 years and today lack suitable words and terms to describe the modern scientific and technological world.

    Azerbaijani became the official language of Azerbaijan in 1992, for example, and the first step was to replace the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin one, says Brisset. How it’s only used for daily conversation. So terminological databases had to be compiled to review all the words and expressions in it and invent new ones to describe the legal, commercial, diplomatic and technological aspects of modern life. That’s essential before using it as a teaching language. The job is huge and costly, as Peru discovered in 1975 when it declared Quechua an official language. This involved translating all official documents and teaching it in schools. The government reckoned it needed 200,000 teachers to do this. The scheme has gradually been abandoned.

    In other words, the report says, English should be taught for Science because it is better and not costly.

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  31. Salam Jebat,

    Sudah agak lama tak komen tapi hari ini rasa terpanggil pulak.

    Saya teramat bersetuju dengan sekolah satu aliran yg disarankan oleh Datuk Mukhriz. Selagi anak-anak kita tak berada dalam asas pembelajaran yang sama, bergaul dan belajar memahami antara satu sama lain pada umur yang muda, satu bangsa Malaysia hanyalah satu mimpi. Keberkesanan National Service pada umur 17 tahun tak akan mencapai matlamat sebagai satu cara menyemai perpaduan di kalangan rakyat. Living proof: anak saya sekolah di tadika yang ratio cina: malay: india = 33:33:33. My son was happy and among his best friend are Adeline, a chinese girl and Kimalesh, an Indian boy. I have a great time meeting with the moms and dads. Unfortunately most of the indian goes to tamil school and the chinese goes to SJKC. And my son goes to Sekolah kebangsaan. Mungkin boleh nak keep in touch once in a while but to keep the closeness between these children again, is impossible. Anak-anak tak ada sikap prejudice dan they regard each other as friends. Sungguh noble.

    The biggest mistake that the opposition has made after winning big the last GE is start playing with the race issue. Even if they claim that UMNO started the tune they should not follow. Now we are more divided than ever and people like LKS just make thing worst. Semangkin meluat dengan sikap pembangkang sekarang. Terkadang tersenyum sendiri lihat mereka yang melaungkan perpaduan tapi memilih jalan perpecahan dan pengasingan.

    Jangan sangka saya menyokong pemerintah membuta tuli. Pembangkang cuba tunjuk bukti yang lebih baik dari pemerintah sekarang dan saya akan sokong. Jangan belum apa-apa dah tunjuk terrer sampai ingkar arahan menteri besar, kata jangan pilih ketua kampung, tapi tetap berbuat demikian. Bayangkan kalau mereka memerintah negara, entah-entah bendera Malaysia pun nak ditukar sekali….hehehe lucukan.

    Belajar sains dan Mathematis dlm bahasa inggeris tidak akan membuat seseorang itu tidak patriotik atau hilang identiti bangsanya. Masalahnya buku rujukan yang berbahasa melayu sangat sedikit dan kita tak boleh catch up jika tidak mahir bahasa inggeris sebab kebanyakkan buku rujukan dalam bahasa tersebut. Sehingga kita ada satu badan penterjemahan yang unggul, kita terpaksa menumpang bahasa untuk terus bersaing dari segi ilmu.

    Sekadar pandangan peribadi. harap tidak menyinggung sesiapa.

    Wasalam

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  32. We would be one of the tigers of Asia like Hong Kong today if we were still under the British rule.

    Abolish all vernacular schools and do away with the NEP. Fair game?

    JMD : Don’t demand if you are not prepared to give something in return mate. If you are insinuating that the Malays should further sacrifice the affirmative action under the threat of the extremists non Malays over the vernacular schools’ existence, then you are indeed not in the position to negotiate. This lame threat of yours sound hollow in my ears. Prove your sincerity towards national unity in our schools, then we will do away with the NEP (not that I want it to run in perpetuity anyway).

    Thank you.

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  33. Salam JMD,

    Nak quote aniseed,

    1. Kajian telah membuktikan bahawa pembelajaran di kalangan kanak-kanak adalah paling berkesan bilamana bahasa ibunda merupakan bahasa pengantar.

    2. Ramai murid sekolah kebangsaan terutamanya di luar bandar, dan termasuk budak Orang Asli serta bumiputera di Sabah dan Sarawak, tiada pendedahan kepada BI di rumah.

    Nampak gayanya kena lah buka sekolah bahasa iban, bajau, senoi dan sebagai nya,
    kalau betullah, kita nak ikutkan lapuran kajian tu ….
    hmmmm…..VERY the PRACTICAL😉

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  34. Salam all…

    JMD, won’t you consider submitting the IP address of the following persons to PDRM ?

    — those commentators wishing if Malaysia could be brought back under British rule.
    — those actively spreading insults and derogatory remarks towards the Malays at the race’s entirety like Cooloc and Boleh etc.
    — those glorifying Chin peng and justifying CPM atrocity.
    — those calling for US, Israel and Singapore to bombard Muslim populations here (dunno if there’ are such comments submitted to your blog but I think some of us by coincidence have come across such comment somewhere else)

    Kita ni kalau bercakap apa pun rasanya dah cukup berlapik, berhati-hati, berbunga-bunga lagi. Tapi lihatlah apa balasan mereka. And still we want to be nice to those racist pigs?!

    IF those RACIST BIGOTS can even lodge police reports against Mukhriz Mahathir simply because Mukhriz proposes a streamlined national school system, then WHY should we still trying to be nice and sometimes too much “berlapik” to them? It’s time for us to stop being “berbunga-bunga” and instead deliver a full-force blow to their jaw! Kalau dah mulut tu tak de insurans itu aje jawapannya!

    Thank you.

    JMD : Marah sungguh Encik Joe ni. But you are correct. Thank you.

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  35. Hahaha….
    you are still trying to bluff yourself.
    Jebat must die, so do you…
    I will not cry for you

    JMD : Sheesh! I did not ask for you to cry for me either! Where is the substance in this comment?

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  36. The majority voted for PR but you low class creatures cheated…

    JMD : Daniel, Daniel.. please provide evidence that PR should have won in the last general election. Accusing something without thinking may not be the wisest thing to do.

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  37. Mr Jebat,
    WHy is it some of us still unable to discuss over things instead of reacting to an argument… It seems that there are those who enjoy testing water on people’s blog rather than discussing over things properly.. Always so antagonizing …why? why?…. I smell these people write comments in such a way just to see if you fall into a trap like making a mistake in arguing or something…. or maybe they wanna play games..

    Nak argue argue lerr… and do so respectfully, rather making one sound no different than those they dislike and condemn…

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  38. Salam all…

    @ ThinkThinkThink

    You’re are not thinking at all. You don’t have to wish “if Malaysia still stays under British rule”. There’s much easier thing for you to do if you want to – relinquish your Malaysian citizenship (if you’re Malaysian) and get the hell out of Malaysia for good. The likes of you are nothing but lices to the nation. I don’t think there’s anything worse than to be against the nation’s independence at the first place. You may want to apply for British citizenship but you must remember there’s no such Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan in the UK, and asking for signboards in Mandarin there is considered racist too. JMD is damn correct – racists bigots like you only demand, demand, and demand but NEVER want to give anything in return.

    @ Daniel

    I think JMD must have been generous enough to aloow your imbecilic comments – when he got better things to do. If lices like you die, we’ll never cry for you either. Lices like you should just vanish. If a majority in EVERY constituency voted for PR then how can BN cheat anymore? How come those so-called “low-class creatures” have ideas and strategies to cheat either? You can’t even think of it?! You can;t even prove it. Now, who deserve the “low-class creature” label more? It’s you.

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  39. Aniseed,

    Your example on Unesco’s study may be valid but is it practical in our country? Like HeroTamil said , we may need to teach iban, bajau, senoi languages in Sabah & Sarawak and maybe Telugu, Punjabi, Malayalam, Sinhala and Hokkien, Hakka etc dialects in Peninsular. We have to look at this in the local context.

    Locally, has there been any study done on whether pupils who were taught in languages other then their mother tongue has been impacted in any way? i.e has there been any impact on thousands of Indians and Chinese going to National schools and also Indians and Malays who went to chinese schools.
    Have these group failed academically or in their career ? I and many of my friends are those in that category, don’t think so.

    If anyone argues on losing their culture and identity , let me say that at least amongst Indians, the Malay (national school) and English educated are far more concious on their identity and culture than ever before and tamil schools has certainly, got nothing to do with that.

    JMD,

    Enrolment of standard one students in Chinese and Tamil schools have increased this year, and we know why…

    Regards

    http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/

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  40. Jebatmustdie,

    you were wrong . For example, on the language for teaching HIstory etc in othe r languages..

    It is also “guaranteed” that other languages can be “use”…….

    Hence, “freedom” to use , for example, to “teach” History..etc..

    Perhaps, you also purposely misinterprete the constitution so that I cannot “use” English such as Steven as my name ?

    What rubbish your web site is!!

    Steven ALi

    JMD : Steven, they are ‘guaranteed’ to be used only in unofficial purposes. Read the Article 152 properly please. Teaching History in other languages will come under the ‘official purpose’ as it falls under the education system and education is an official business.

    Your last argument is redundant. You can call yourself whatever you want Steven since the process of naming oneself is an official business. If your IC is Steven Ali, so be it. It’s official.

    But you certainly can’t involve yourself in some official business and documentation as Jake Talib or Chastity Ng when your real name is Talib Othman or Ng Kok Keong.

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  41. DEAR all,

    Some people have this idea that closing the non malay schools, will have all of us in satu aliran and we will likely bersatu…have same activity and same fikiran…

    It is a too simplicitic view..

    I speak well malay and i was from national school. I mix well with with malays in schools and at work now..But i still say the idea of one aliran and all is wrong.

    The problem of people anti establishment is due to the BN’s and UMNO’s policies. I blame the UMNO government;s policies for the failure of unitting the people.\

    Same as we blame US policies..

    Dun make us like Mara students that refuse to mix with other..\

    In this world, we must mix with people of other opinions and schools and schools of thoughts.. So do read the Bible and the Buddhist scriptures..

    I blame the policies of people who prevent this!

    Multi aliran , freedom and fair government laws and polcies to unite.

    JMD : My eyes rolled a bit while reading this comment of yours..:) You contradicted yourself everywhere here. “In this world we must mix with people”. Isn’t that why we should get our children to be schooling together under one streamlined education system?

    And who said MARA refuse to mix with each other? Who? Which MRSM students?

    Steven, you had the benefit to be schooled in a national school. That is why you can mix around with other people not of your own race. That’s why you can speak Malay well. But yet, you think one aliran is not a viable solution? You think the children in vernacular schools are at ease like yourself in mingling with children of other races? Yes, I blame Umno too. For not thinking far ahead when they agreed to allow the existence of vernacular schools back then. And the streamlining of our education system is one of the best solution to start unifying our kids.

    And you said multi aliran school system is one of the policies to unite the people? Huh?

    Anyway, if you have the time to indulge me, please read the banter between Kijang Mas of Demi Negara fame and his commentator. Perhaps it may answer some of your questions:

    “Eyes Wide Open (December 10, 2008 9:00 PM) said:-
    “I am neither for or (sic) against vernacular schools, but I am for parents’ freedom to choose whichever form of education they deem best for their children.”

    What does “freedom to choose” entails to you?

    “Freedom to choose” an education stream conducted in the national language of an alien nation and the language of a state of yet another foreign nation that would make the pupils future “outcasts” of Malaysian society due to their inability to speak Bahasa Malaysia, the National Language, as well as English at a level sufficient for interaction with the Malay majority and other ethnic groups in this country?

    Isn’t it the role of the elected government of the day of any democracy to streamline that country’s social milieu, to create the cohesion necessary for long term harmony and, indeed, sustainability of that society itself?

    Are vernacular schools part of this jigsaw and form the building blocks towards the formation of our own cohesive Bangsa Malaysia?

    Is your “freedom to choose” available in any other nation?

    Do you think the U.S. will allow a chunk of its populace to attend schools taught predominantly in Mandarin or Tamil or Spanish or French or German or Swahili, let alone for that government to finance these schools? What about Australia? New Zealand? Britain? I thought these are multi-ethnic liberal democracies? What about your role model, Singapore? Show us an SRJK(C) and (T) equivalent in Singapore? Mind you, Mandarin and Tamil are official languages in Singapore. But how come no Mandarin- and Tamil-centric schools there? Here in Malaysia, only Bahasa Malaysia has official status and nowhere is “Mandarin” or “Tamil” mentioned anywhere on any matter in the federal constitution . But we tolerate these colonial relics for 51 YEARS out of the sikap berbesar hati of the Orang Melayu.

    And please don’t give us the “enshrined in the Constitution” crap because that’s just another fairytale propagated and sustained by treasonous elements and condoned by the country’s inept and indecisive leadership.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “If being multi-language (sic) was the barrier to anything, the great explorers of the past would never have ventured beyond their own villages.”

    What kind of perverse logic is this? Why you equate “multi-lingualism” with barriers? So you see mastery of Bahasa Malaysia as some kind of barrier, hence the need to steadfastly cling to some foreign language (not even your real “mother” tongue) that represents your ancestors’ country of origin even after your kinds have set your roots here for over a century?

    Look, the sure thing is that the likes of Cortez, Da Gama, Balboa, Cook, Diaz, Tasman, Drake, Livingstone, Cheng Ho, Magellan and Raleigh would NOT have been able to raise either political support nor funding nor manpower if their respective expeditions were a hodge podge non-cohesive collection of their version of the SRJK products of many languages. Yes, the great explorers were able to venture out of their villages and ultimately conquer the world BECAUSE their compatriots were cohesive, driven men speaking in one dominant language, and this language dominance allowed them to tolerate and absorb speakers of other tongues as their expeditions transgressed into “uncharted” territories populated by a myriad of cultures and languages.

    Of course, when these explorers actually arrived in the “uncharted” lands, they have no choice but to conceive various methodologies to communicate with the “natives.” Multi-lingualism in their cases was due to sheer necessity. But in Malaysia, the non-Malays were born here (many of the 3rd-4th generation) and SHOULD have been able to learn, absorb and adopt Bahasa Malaysia from the very beginning of their lives as Warganegaras of this country.

    Again, the bizarre example concocted by “Eyes Wide Open” is reflective of the sheer bankruptcy of points and the utterly indefensible position of the anti-national chauvinists in their resistance to national integration and nation building via a singular school system and a common language for the Anak Bangsa Malaysia.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “Heck, even residents in different areas of London city can’t understand each other sometimes because of the various dialects spoken.”

    So are you inferring that as a consequence there are SRJK (Cockney), SRJK (Geordie), SRJK (Yorkshire) and SRJK (East Anglian) and other dialect-based SRJKs in England?

    I don’t think so.

    They may speak variants of English like Benny Hill, Jackie Stewart, Alex Ferguson or the assorted Fawlty Towers characters, BUT they ALL go to schools taught in standard QUEEN’S ENGLISH to ensure conformity and linguistic homogenization at least at the public level.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “… I have students who can only speak Tamil. Do I reject them the opportunity to learn because I can’t speak Tamil? NO! I speak to him as much as he understands in whatever language he understands that I am capable of speaking. And thank God I have staff who can speak Tamil so I can communicate more effectively with him!”

    I don’t get it. You mean you actually perpetuate this poor kid’s severe language disadvantage (a Tamil-only speaker in Malaysia) by catering to HIS language preference in your classroom? Oh dear. How the heck is this Tamil-speaking kid going to be ready for national level exams in BM/BI and subsequent vocational pursuits if he goes through school (with your irresponsible collaboration) knowing only Tamil? What type of school again you claim to teach? If it’s true (which I doubt), your weird approach will seal the fate of this Tamil-only speaker to a life of manual labour or crime as there is no way he can comfortably cari makan here with only Tamil speaking/writing abilities.

    Folks, see the extent these anti-Malay chauvinists are willing to go just to spurn the National Language, even if they have to create generation after generation of functional illiterates totally alienated by mainstream Malaysiana. It makes me sick!

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “It is the same for all my other students. I converse with them in Mandarin, Cantonese, Bahasa Melayu, English and even the few words of Hokkien, Tamil or Japanese that I know! Anything to get my message across.”

    Hey buddy, you are supposed to teach class in the language stated in the curriculum – the books, handouts and reference sources. How can you shuffle around the room and utter phrases in “Mandarin, Cantonese, Bahasa Melayu, English and even the few words of Hokkien, Tamil or Japanese” to different students in the same classroom on the same subject? Tell us, how the heck the students communicate with one another in your class if you layan and propagate their inclination towards whatever language they bring to class from their homes? Is this what “education” is all about?

    You ought to be investigated by the Education Ministry! No. You ought to be incarcerated …… at the local SPCA.

    Tell me this can happen anywhere else on earth? Where? My second hometown of Los Angeles has 127 official ethnic groups and a public school would typically have 80 ethnicities depending on the neighbourhood. You think the Angeleno school teacher will teach her class in Korean, Tagalog, Cambodian, Ukrainian, Yiddish, Spanish and Armenian at the same time ….. and not be chucked into a mental institution?

    No. The language in all LA (and American) schools – public, private, seminary, whatever – is ENGLISH. Only ONE language. And the same should be in MALAYsia – Bahasa MALAYsia.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “To effectively build national unity, yes the schools play a role. But more importantly, national unity is a mindset and it is nurtured in the FAMILY.”

    O.k. Can you tell us how YOU can inculcate national unity among pupils of your hyperlingual class? What do you think their families talk about in their homes? Have YOU made any attempt to calibrate the minds of these students towards a singular national identity, the Anak Bangsa Malaysia, which they will then take home to enlighten their families? Could you? Indeed, how could you when YOU YOURSELF confusingly go around your classroom stuttering in a half-dozen pidgin street dialects to a bunch of confused students.

    Anyway, what common language should this Bangsa Malaysia speak? Why? Why not Bahasa Malaysia, the sole National Language?

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “The real problem of why national unity is lacking lies with the people who hold on to narrow communal sentiments, and one way this is expressed is holding on to the vernacular school system for whatever reasons of security it provides them. These same people would kick up helluva fuss if forced to part with their source of comfort.”

    Ok. Good to see you are capable of seeing the light. You should have stopped here and then work with the Demi Negara community on ways to implement a smooth transition for the interim generation of children caught between their defunct vernacular schools and the national schools.

    BUT you spoil the plot by uttering:-
    “Sure, you can make them, but will it address the deeper issue of their own personal worldview? If these people are FORCED to give up what they hold dear in favour of what they see as “inferior” or “not belonging to them”, will they become more united or more polarised? Well, they may become more united – against the people who forced their hand!”

    Look, this is part and parcel of nation building lah! No pain, no gain. Every nation, every society, every civilization will need the necessary calibration of their multifarious milieu, and the education system is one of the many nuts and bolts of these building blocks of nationhood.

    Don’t you read history? I thought you are “an educator”? Do you know how China was unified in ancient times? By allowing 800 different types of SRJKs to cater to the innumerable regional languages and dialects in that vast land? Do you know how Mandarin was imposed on the hitherto heterogeneous populace speaking over a thousand languages and dialects? And in recent times, do you think Mao allowed his classrooms to be conducted in Hokkien, Hakka, Uighur, Manchurian, Teochew, Hainanese and hundreds of other tongues?

    Show us your fantasized utopia, where the various races and tribes can indulge in whatever suits their own little cocoons and comfort zones without regard and oblivious to the interests of the general populace, for the greater public good? How about Somalia?

    So yes, we should expect resentment and some degree of resistance by anti-Malay chauvinists such as Eyes Wide Open here. That’s a natural and expected “cost” of nation building throughout history. But this nation must face and overcome all these “costs” for the greater public good of our future generations. Thailand overcame that in the late 1930s. Indonesia in the mid-1960s.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “In my school days, Chinese and Tamil schools were widely regarded as second-grade institutions. Only the less-educated and economically-backward families (hawkers, labourers, etc) would send their kids to these schools. They were seen as having cultural hang-ups that prevented them from moving forward in life – and that was why they remained in the lower levels of society… Most forward-looking Chinese and Indian parents then would not dream of sending their kids to these schools. They only saw hope in mission schools (where English was still the main medium) or national schools (Malay-medium) as these were seen as the only way their kids could survive in Malaysia and the world at large. Even Chinese-educated parents who managed to work their way up in life (like my father) wanted us to either go to a mission school or national school.”

    Yes, those were the days when this nation had some hope of transforming the non-Malays into acceptable citizens with sufficient affinity with the Malay majority via mastery of the national language (and English as well) and reasonable comprehension of the Malay culture, which forms the basis of Malaysian civilization. I’ve narrated in detail in other postings in this blog about my own childhood (in PJ, Selangor) where my buddies – in school and in play – cut across racial lines, where we commingled effortlessly and communicated seamlessly in BM and English.

    So what happened?

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “The simple answer is – most non-Malay parents feel that the national school system is not good enough.”

    No.

    This is the most persistent Chinese Urban Legend in this country.

    The estrangement was actually precipitated by the treasonous anti-Malay racist instigations of the Chinese-based political parties led by the DAP and Chinese educationists such as the subversive Dong Jiao Zong (United Chinese School Teachers Association). The psyche of the ethnic-Chinese minority in this country has been comprehensively corrupted by these bigots to the point where “Chinese-ness” (and now “Tamil-ness”) form the cornerstone of whatever they partake in life, be it politics, education, culture, language, music and the arts. These minorities are now crippled by this irrational need to forge, sustain and defend mini-Kwangtungs and mini-Tamil Nadus in a faraway corner of the Nusantara encircled by over a quarter billion pribumis. As their endeavour becomes increasingly untenable, true to their nature they partake in the age-old “blame game” against the very people (the Melayu Tuan Tanah) and the nation that were astoundingly magnanimous (stupid, on hindsight) in dishing out kerakyatan percuma to the forefathers of these belligerent socio-political irritants.

    Can you, Mr./Mrs. Eyes Wide Open, honestly look me in the eyes with your eyes opened even wider and tell me that the SRJK(Tamil) is BETTER than our Sekolah Kebangsaan? Hey brother Balan Kumar, can you please further widened the eyes of Mr./Mrs. Eyes Wide Open on the state of the SRJK(T)s in this country, as conclusively argued in your classic piece here?

    Same thing with the SRJK(C)s. I challenge you, Eyes Wide Open, to show us the empirical evidence, with 30-year trend line, variance analysis and various other statistical tools that conclusively prove the “superiority” of the SRJK(C)s to our Sekolah Kebangsaan. Show us. We all want to see. Let’s compare exam scores. Go find some obscure Ph.D. thesis that actually tracked a sample group of SRJK vs. SK school leavers over 10-20 years and see how they do in life. Show us the anecdotal evidence. Show us the inference. Show us the correlation. Show us anything that could even remotely support your bombastic contention that the “national school system is not good enough” compared to the SRJK(C) and SRJK(T). We’ll be waiting …. and waiting …. and waiting …. and wai ….. zzzzzzzz.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “Take a drive to your nearest national schools. How many of them proudly display a huge sign at the front gate, saying: “SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!” What? Congratulations simply for COMING to school? If they had said “SYABAS kerana menhadiri (sic) semua kelas hari ini” it wouldn’t have been so bad!”

    Can you please show us a photograph of a Sekolah Kebangsaan with the EXACT words as above?

    And what’s wrong with that? The sentence “SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!” already intrinsically meant “SYABAS kerana menhadiri (sic) semua kelas hari ini” without actually stating that incorrect sentence structure that you concocted. See, your Bahasa Malaysia is so bad, you cannot even comprehend the message and nuance of the original “SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!” and hence you feel a need to further granularise the original correct form to YOUR level of Bahasa Malaysia.

    Astounding!

    And you claim to be “an educator”? No wonder you would rather speak pidgin Tamil and Hokkien and Manglish and whatever as your Bahasa Malaysia is hancurrrr! And you cunningly smother your deficiencies by hiding in a private “school” where the “enterprise” will do anything to increase enrollment, even if you have to shout in 10 languages to a roomful of obstinate, confused kids.

    Incredible!

    Anyway, why so petty? Next issue apa? The toilet stinks less than your filthy SRJKs? The canteens don’t serve Bak Kut Teh? The surau is too big? No Mandarin and Tamil equivalent signages for the Sekolah Kebangsaans?

    Excuses, excuses, excuses … that’s all we get from your kind … Yes, 51 years of excuses. How many more years do you need ah? Why so slow? You need tongkat as well ka? How about a rotan? Yes, of the ekor pari and buluh betung variety. I heard the “recipients” will for sure cakap Melayu after just one therapeutic session. Tam Dalyell and Apocryphalist, betul ka? Orang Sungai Segama, in Sabah the therapy macam mana?

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “If the level deemed deserving of praise is set so low, what can be said of the level of intelligence produced by these schools? Sure, we have students with multiple A’s, but many of these same students are also those who can’t articulate any original or independent thought!”

    Again, you are shamelessly (oops, I don’t think your species can comprehend the perasaan malu) regurgitating your Chinese urban legends laced with a healthy dose of your bigotry and chauvinism underpinned by your own deep sense of insecurity. You are just barking your opinion based on your own hatred of the Malay majority and whatever Malaysia stands for. And can you Encik/Puan Mata Luas honestly tell us that your SRJK products can actually “articulate any original or independent thought” better than the Sekolah Kebangsaan kids?

    My answer: No way in hell.

    No way! Take a walk in front of our malls and see how these SRJK dropouts stutter and stammer in your face as they try to sell some useless product. They could hardly tell you what in the name of the good Lord they are trying to peddle! And try talking to the SRJK(C)-dropout apprentice in the workshop and see how he can explain a worn-out lower control arm bush and misaligned anti-roll bar assembly without resorting to crude insinuations of copulating tadpoles, rude hand gestures, and props made from pieces of broken parts and half-consumed bones of unidentified carcasses. By the time the SRJK(C) product is finished and utterly exhausted from the endeavour (the ones that managed to avoid fist-fights with irate customers half way through their tutorials), the only “thing” that needs fixin’ is HIM! Not the car. Yup, blame that on the NEP too.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “Where are the dedicated academics in all of this?

    Well, certainly NOT in the Chinese and Tamil schools. That’s for sure.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “Amid all the political hullabaloo, does anyone even remember that schools are for educating our children?”

    Tell this to yourself, buddy. Start by educating them in the proper Bahasa Malaysia and English and NOT your tragically hilarious free-for-all combo of Tamil, Hokkien and what have you.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “To say that vernacular schools are the source of racial polarisation is only addressing part of the problem. We cannot take such a simplistic approach in calling for the closing down vernacular schools “for the sake of national unity”.

    Ok let’s see the inverse logic.

    You are saying that vernacular schools are NOT a source of racial polarization in this country? No impact at all? The fact that our kids go to different schools taught in different languages have no bearing on the state of racial alienation in this country?

    Wow!

    So vernacular schools are absolved of all blame?

    Who and what do you blame then? Ok, ok I know, I know … Blame it on the Malays, blame it on UMNO/PAS, blame it on … let’s see, ok, the fact that the sun rises from the east and Bears and Chipmunks hibernate in winter. What/who else to blame …… ok, blame it on Khir Toyo’s nose job. What the heck, blame it on the Negaraku, Keris, Wayang Kulit, Proton, the group of Kelantanese who blog.

    Yeah, blame all of our society’s ills to everyone and everything else EXCEPT your kinds.

    When one is faced with someone (indeed a community) with this kind of self-centered mindset, is intelligent discourse an option? Now, where the heck is my ekor pari?

    And, Eyes Wide Open, you don’t find it necessary for our 7-12 year olds to master our National Language at that early, formative age to ensure interactive compatibility with the rest of society, at least to be able to mingle with others in the playground without the sense of alienation currently so pervasive among the young of the various races?

    I think its time you retire. Your communal tempurung must have been airtight and prevented you from seeing reality.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “Such racial thinking does not only exist in the minds of non-Malays, mind you. I have come across many Malays who come into my centre, like the program but will not enrol (sic) simply because I do not have as many Malay students as they prefer.”

    Then YOU should ask yourself how your kind is perceived by the Malay majority. Can you go on living like this in this country where your kind cannot even replicate yourselves and, combined with emigration, rapidly dwindling against a majority bolstered annually by a prolific birthrate? Something is terribly wrong when the majority refuse to mingle with a minority like you. Is this tenable for your race? Shouldn’t this be even more reason for your tribe to master the national language and adapt to the majority before you’re totally swarmed and overwhelmed and expelled by the sheer numbers of the majority 20-30 years down the road?

    Are you even capable of thinking this way, considering the cesspool of bigotry and chauvinism afflicting your very soul?

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “I would invite you to any Tamil, Chinese and National schools (sic) to visit the classes and the students before making such an unqualified blanket judgment. You would find more or less the same ratio of high, medium and low performers in any school. Intelligence, discipline and good manners are not racial traits – they are nurtured in the family and in schools.”

    Then why did you earlier said that the SRJKs are superior to the National Schools? So these schools are all on par now? And by deduction, there is no reason for non-Malays to sacrifice Bahasa Malaysia and English language skills because the schools are all on par and there exist no knowledge-based incentive to not go to a National School. If the ratio of smart-average-stupid students are the same across all ethnic and language lines and indifferent between the SRJKs and the SKs, then the transition would be seamless and relatively painless.

    The contradictions inherent in your flimsy arguments are beginning to percolate through your spins and deceptions here.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “I am not advocating shutting down of vernacular school systems to establish a single system for all. If anything, I would advocate MORE choices of education! That era is over! That system was designed to address the needs of the Industrial Revolution where industrialists needed large numbers of people able to perform standardised tasks. Today, with the proliferation of choice in every sphere of life – from religion to coffee, from sexual preference to furniture – where does the “one size fits all” mentality fit in?”

    What kind of “educator” are you? Equating our education system with choices over coffee, sex partner and furniture? What are you? A kopitiam junkie who frequents brothels and then wiles away the afternoons at Courts Mammoth? I think you are a menace to your own community.

    People, see the extent these Dong Jiao Zong or Dong Key Kong or Sing Kong or whatever chauvinists go just to avoid a standardized, Bahasa Malaysia-centric educational system for all. In their utter desperation borne out of an irrevocably corrupted anti-Malay mindset, they would concoct weird tales and inferences to resist the irresistible march towards a standardized school system in this country.

    The “coffee, sex partner, furniture” analogy puked by this bigot tops it! Mr. Ass- … oops, I mean Eyes Wide Open, let me ask you, if your above no more “one size fits all” claim is true, show me where in the world (including the U.S., Australia, Britain, the E.U., Japan, Korea, China, Russia and other post-Industrial Revolution nations) this purported “more choices in education” exists? Show me what country would allow a parallel system that entails the teaching of class in languages OTHER than the dominant/national languages of that country? Show us the equivalent of your SRJKs in these countries. Since you are big on choices, show us the extent of the choices the populace of these countries can make for their children’s education.

    Sure, there will be choices. Choice of focus and methodology perhaps, BUT NOT choice of language. You just cannot insist on Spanish-centric education even in Dade County Florida or parts of Southern California where the Hispanic population outnumbers the rest.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “Let there be MORE CHOICE – national schools, vernacular schools, home schools, private schools, sports schools, music schools, art schools, dance schools, schools for the gifted, schools for the handicapped, etc. So that there is a school to fit the need of every individual in the country.”

    Yes, let there be choices – but like any other sovereign nation on earth, these choices are conducted IN ONE LANGUAGE, BAHASA MALAYSIA, THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “Leave education to apolitical experts! Let there be competition to produce the best students – not those who can regurgitate textbook answers, but those who can think outside the box and innovate.”

    Ok, why throw all these rhetorical statements? As “an educator” you better do YOUR part as well.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “When national schools can produce those kinds of students, believe me, vernacular schools will lose their attractiveness. People of all races will be competing to get into national schools!”

    What “those kinds of students”? You inferring your vernacular schools – the SRJK(C) Chung Hwa Sg. Choh and the SRJK(T) Veevakenanda Batang Berjuntai – are producing “those kinds of students” who are superior to the Sekolah Kebangsaan Parang Puting, Sabak, Kelantan and the Sekolah Kebangsaan Telor Dua Ketol, Juasseh, N.S.?

    Yeah, Mr./Mrs. Mata Luas, again show us the comparative exam results AND give us some anecdotal evidence of the success stories of groups of these students where they collectively end up on top of the pile in the various professions – from the scientists to academics to corporate chieftains to top notch military brass.

    Eyes Wide Open said:-
    “But since a revamp of our education seems to be far off yet, the way to national unity is for people of all races to teach our children not to be suspicious of others simply because they are of a different race than ourselves.”

    This is enough for national unity? Your kids still go to Chinese and Tamil schools and all they need is your theoretical home lessons for your “children not to be suspicious of others” while they socialize only with their own species and speaking in their own dialects in their formative years? You think this is tenable? Has been successful? Look at the kids around your neighbourhood playground. The races cannot even communicate, let alone mix? Tell us how do you exactly teach the “children not to be suspicious of others” while they go to segregated schools in their formative years?

    No. Social interaction and tolerance for multiculturalism cannot be taught between episodes of Sponge Bob and Doraemon at home. It must be practiced in real life, in the school yards, in the school fields, in the extracurricular activities, at the PIBG meetings.

    There is NO substitute for a singular, streamlined National School system taught in ONE dominant language, and this is practiced by 99% of nations on earth. Why must Malaysia be in the other 1% (together with other basket cases: Sri Lanka, Quebec Province) just because a selfish and belligerent minority refuse to be part of nation building, to be a true Rakyat Malaysia striving towards a Bangsa Malaysia unified under one language, Bahasa Malaysia?

    ——

    There you have it. This Eyes Wide Open character epitomizes the desperation mode of the anti-Malay, anti-integration, anti-Bangsa Malaysia, anti Bahasa Malaysia chauvinists. They will go to any length to avoid the inevitable, the day of reckoning where by hook or by crook our Negara Malaysia tercinta will have a unified school system conducted in the national language, Bahasa Malaysia, with English in selected subjects, and other languages as electives.

    Until then, the Eyes Wide Opens of this world will resist, will kick and scream and throw tantrums and indulge in their obligatory epileptic fits and will defecate in their skirts to resist, to resist, to resist what would have been the norm, what should have been a normal progression of nationhood in any other sovereign nation on the face of this earth.
    The end is nigh for the cancerous anomaly in our society known as the Vernacular Schools, a 51-year insult to the Malaysian nation that should have been wiped out from Bumi Keramat Negara Malaysia Berdaulat many decades ago.

    This is the most crucial step in our collective endeavour to forge a truly unified, cohesive Anak Bangsa Malaysia speaking in one language, Bahasa Malaysia.

    December 18, 2008 8:09 PM”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    End of copy paste from Demi Negara.

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  42. Dear all,

    On Chinese loyalty.. What is the point of loyalty to UMNO…?

    See what happened to a very loyal man call Tan Siew Sin, the first Finance Minister who help ensure UMNO gov has all the cash neeeded for years after 1957.

    Observer

    JMD : Dear Steven, chinese loyalty to Umno? You mean MCA’s loyalty to Umno? You want to discuss that here? You mean MCA should not be loyal to Umno just because Tun Tan Siew Sin was the Finance Minister?

    My dear Steven, in the first place, Tun Siew Sin was not the first Finance Minister of Malaya/Malaysia. It was the diminutive Tun Henry S. Lee. A giant of a man in actual fact. Jalan Tun HS Lee in Kuala Lumpur was named after him.

    And did you know that when MCA was decimated in the 1969 general election, out of embarrassment of the party’s performance, he had told Tun Razak to not include him and any MCA MPs in the cabinet (but will continue to support the government). But Tun Razak, still appointed him as the Finance Minister.

    When MCA was embroiled in crisis in 1959 (through the incessant demands of Lim Chong Eu) and was split into two factions, Tunku Abdul Rahman supported the new MCA under Tun Tan Siew Sin instead of Lim Chong Eu.

    When MCA candidates were contesting in areas which are predominantly Malays, it was Umno members who worked hard to ensure the success of those candidates. From the first general election in 1955 up to recent times, Umno members had ensured MCA victory even against a Malay candidate from PAS!

    All this call of loyalty did not even arise. In fact you are the one propagating the idea here. I know that you want the BN to be split. And the best way is to tell those parties to not be grateful to one another.

    You and your kind should learn more about history. There you can see the true meaning of what Barisan Nasional really mean. Until it was twisted by Pak Lah and his band of goons that is.

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  43. HI,

    may i suggest for us to have an independent “survey” commission to get the public view on streamlined education system like we have before when we were to decide for sarawak & sabah to join or not the new malaysia federation (is it red or cobold commission??). Also to get the same public survey on the usage of English as medium for math & science teaching. I think this may avoid us,from “tunduk” to the minorities demand anymore.

    N i think to teach math N science in English are good proposal, but the problems are more on the feasibility of implementing it. I went to a kampong school before, N yup their English are horrible (mine too), N the teachers also are not helping much. Most of the malays student are phobic or traumatic when they to learn English, im still not sure why.

    Regards

    JMD : Thank you Emma. That is why I am in full support of the complete study and review of our education system. A survey accompanying this review can be the impetus to change our education system to suit our needs for our future.

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  44. JMD,

    Not that people want to abolish your NEP…

    Just that, why have quota for teachers intake.. and end up need to reduce passing marks to “keep” passing rate high?

    Just that, why have quota for doctors intake.. and end up need to have expensive private hospitals?

    Just that why poor non malays whose families have been generations here, are not treated better than the Indons muslim who just arrived last year and today a bumiputra…?

    Be more matured and open minded please

    Please live with others… let other have their schools and language (too)

    you should understand this unless..unless you are from closed -up MARA,

    JMD : From what illogical fact did you get the notion that Indon muslims who arrived last year can become a bumiputra today? Once you’re a citizen from another country, you will be treated as such. Not a bumiputra.

    Unless you mean, they married the Bumiputra and assimilated themselves into the bumiputra culture in order to be granted the status of bumiputra too. The status which was enshrined in the Constitution?

    But of course, if there are poor non Malays in Malaysia that needs help, the government will help them. I am sure I read somewhere the plight of several good non Malay students who needs help in securing scholarships and places in universities. I believe the government had taken care of those issues time and time again.

    Of course I know you do not want to abolish the NEP. Just that, the NEP had been abused and its objectives of having equal outcomes (unlike the unfair equal opportunities concept) was twisted by a few racial extremists from both sides.

    And lastly, for the umpteenth time, if you want to live peacefully with others, our children must be schooled together. That is a good start. It is unfair that you Steven had the benefit to do that when you went to national school. But a lot others who went to vernacular schools did not have the benefit.

    Thank you.

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  45. On December 10, the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, more than 300 Chinese intellectuals and human rights activists published Charter 08, calling for an independent legal system, freedom of association and the end of one-party rule.

    Sama lah….the chinese are not against the malay..

    the above happened in another country…

    Just applying the universal human rights… ” freedom of association” like mother tougue school…dun angre lah..bro

    JMD : Freedom of association? Need to draw a line on that bro. If not Malaysia will have people associating themselves to Satanic cults, Communism, etc. Freedom of association can only be allowed if it is not detrimental to the overall wellbeing and prosperity of the society at large.

    Please remember that. Thank you.

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  46. JMD,

    If you’ll look at the development allocation under the 8th Malaysia Plan, only RM300 million was allocated for teacher education compared to RM700 million for Mara Junior Science Colleges compared to RM3,263 million for all secondary schools. So the MRSMs are getting a good chunk of the national budget.

    Shalom & hugs to you too

    JMD : Hope you had a good weekend Aniseed. If that is the case, then Najib should increase the teachers education once he takes over the premiership. Like I said earlier, education in Malaysia must be made as one of his top priority of his leadership. Stop dilly dallying on the political repercussions or trying to please everyone. Deliberate on the study of our current state of education system and execute the best action plan for our nation. Thank you.

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  47. hi Jebat Jebat,

    U like to talk alot… as though all that you say make the point. Really man, alot alot… borders abnormal lah..

    Something is likely wrong with you. You present yourself as hater of chinese schools. , pluralism…..after all we are all different color and all…

    Something probably happened to you and could be a childhood problem… relax bro..maybe some chinese boys kena u before dulu….

    I kena also.. In that national school, the malay boys called me.. :orang asing..”.. “:babi”… all all that..

    so you see… it is not the school type fault.

    Steven

    JMD : If you want me to talk less, then just do not give me any comments that may cause you to receive a lecture from me. It’s that simple! But you see, your writings do give me some avenues to make you think further. Which I hope will enable you to discuss with me further on the issue at hand. The inability to discuss anything in return but to finally resort in assuming stupid things like this particular comment of yours really show the myriad of characters and the buffoonery I have to deal with on daily basis.

    I hate chinese schools? Far from it my friend. So, what do you call the non Malays who wish the vernacular schools to be abolished too? Visionaries? How about the non Malays who did not attend the vernacular schools? Smart people? I thought you said earlier, you mixed well with other races in the national school of yours. What happened? Simply trying to justify things by bringing up delusional tales from the purported past? You see, to me, the idea of vernacular school itself is rather seclusive and reclusive instead of being pro pluralism. Thank you.

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  48. Jeabat,,

    I did not contradict myself..sory if i did that to you..

    I meant that probably if you would mix more with other people, you could appreciate differencenes…then you would understand others .like people says “appreciate othes” …

    I meant you need not close other people’s school….

    Mohd ,pbuh, may have said.. go to the mountain if it does not come to you…

    Yes, go, go and mix with others…. if not physically, read their books, their cultural ideals, their religion books too..

    The planet is just so large, we are already under one roof..

    Steven

    JMD : Wow, another major contradiction. If there was a mountain named Contradiction, it must have been named after you🙂

    Steven, are your ready for this?

    If you say – ‘probably if you would mix more with other people, you could appreciate differencenes…then you would understand others .like people says “appreciate othes” …’

    Now how could our children able to mix around with people of other races if they all go to vernacular schools? How could they appreciate the differences if during Hari Raya or Deepavali, they would not visit any of the people of different background because they do not have friends among these people?

    How can they mix with people physically if they cannot play together within the same school? Just by reading books about one another?

    Are you bereft of your senses? What a delightful conjecture! Have you given enough thought of when composing your comment? You mean to say, if I want to make myself closer to, say, the Indians, I should just read about them? We are Malaysians and should integrate ourselves closer to one another but your solution to generate closer ties among the races is just to ‘read about one another in books’?!

    Steven, unifying our kids (sigh.. I’m tired of restating this) in one education system is the best way to inculcate and strengthen social harmony for the nation in the long term. It is not about killing off one’s culture etc. It’s about enabling our children to relate with one another from a very young age. You are lucky to have been schooling in a national school. Some children who went to vernacular schools did not get the chance to even mingle with people from other race till they reach their teen years! Is this pluralism? You gotta be kidding me. I can add more, but I see that you are on a roll, writing away your thoughts without even getting your facts straight..

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  49. Dear Jebat,

    Tun HS Lee, failed to inform Tunku of the chinese’s plights.. He saved his own ass in another words,.. and thus :become” your/UMNO’s ” great giant of a man” ..

    and, yes, UMNO gov renamed a prime street in KL than runs across town, from Jalan Bandar to Jalan HS Lee.. wow… what a UMNO’s hero ..wow what a traitor.. , .

    and yes a tunship..for HS LEE. He was not even a MCA President, why why so favoured by UMNO..?i

    BTW, Jalan Bandar was High Sreet…….!!!.. yes a prime road…

    steven, ( see i read history too)

    JMD : Good try on trying to put some historical context here. Kudos to you. Firstly, I do not see why the need to downgrade Tun HS Lee’s credentials and contribution to this nation. Afterall, he did a lot more than you or your children can achieve in two lifetimes. It is ironic that while I had been lavishing praises to the good Tun Lee, but you had denigrated him just because I stated before that Tun Tan Siew Sin was not the first finance minister of Malaya. Plus your unflattering remark about the Tun Lee (being a traitor) also came about because I wrote that he was a ‘giant of a man’. Somebody needs a history lesson!🙂

    Steven, Tun HS Lee, as the Finance Minister was replaced by Tun Tan Siew Sin in 1959 because he was in Lim Chong Eu’s camp. LCE was the MCA president at that time. LCE had demanded that the Chinese be given more rights in Malaya at that time (LCE later apologised to Tunku by saying that he was pressured by the chinese teachers association for his rudeness and lack or propriety while demanding those rights).

    MCA was split into two because of this. Tun HS Lee followed LCE while Tun Tan Siew Sin commanded another faction. Tunku naturally gave his support to Tun Tan Siew Sin (his father Tun Tan Cheng Lock is his good friend anyway). In the 1959 general elections, LCE and Tun HS Lee lost.

    The rest, was history. Now I do not know why on earth you call Tun HS Lee as a traitor. Probably you are writing without thinking. Shooting from the hip is so not attractive!

    Steven, there are a lot of people who was made Tun in our history. Some were not even presidents of their own political party. Maybe he got his Tunship and great recognition by the government of Malaysia because he took part in the Rundingan Baling in 1955. He was also the founding fathers of Malaysia. He was part of the delegation to London that negotiated for our independence in 1957.

    It is indeed ironic that I, would give credit where its due but you yourself are wallowing in this pathetic attempt to undermine our leaders achievements. Just because you have no substantive point of argument to make!

    Steven, I beg you to compose your thoughts first before you write. Good try though. I had fun reminiscing on our history.

    Thank you.

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  50. Dear Jebat,

    more history for you…

    In contrast, Tun Tan Siew Sin was forgotten by UMNO/malays . Not that he did not help the Tunku in geeting lots of chinese tax for develoment etc, as you see the chinese also fed-up with him for acting like Hs Lee…

    He was forgotten until laterly. (only 1-2 yr back) maybe just before March 8 general election, if i am not wrong…a small short road of 100m, was named after him… formerly Jalan silang..lah!

    After Razak passed away, Siew Sin was the most senior politician in many ways, and despite that with his father were co founder of Alliance.. , a baba from Malacca who donated much for poor UMNO (back then lah)… was side lined…

    He died silently, but with great disappointmnet, and maybe regret.
    .
    UMNO also wanted to remove his name from a hall in Melaka. Such paybak for his loyalty…

    steven

    JMD : Now I just have to stop you here. Otherwise, Malaysian history will forever be screwed by your history lessons.

    In the first place, Tun Tan Siew Sin was not sidelined after Tun Razak passed away. He resigned due to health reasons on April 8, 1974. About two years before the passing of Tun Razak. From which historical channel in Astro did you obtained your ‘fact’?

    Although he resigned, Tun Razak made him the Economic Adviser to the government and also the Sime Darby chairman. Tun Razak was full of praise of his stewardship in strengthening Malaysia’s financial position and in making the ringgit one of the strongest in the world. When he died of heart attack in 1988, Tunku Abdul Rahman described his death as a great loss to the country. The Tunku also commended his leadership and loyalty to the country and his contribution to the unprecedented prosperity in Malaysia.

    Alahai Steven!

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  51. Jebat,

    Learn from others….

    Dun bend on closing other people’s schools

    Relax bro

    JMD : Steven, learn from who lah? From the many, many non Malays who wanted to see a more robust and streamlined education in Malaysia? From the nations where their education system is standardised without any peculiarities like vernacular schools jeopardising their national inter racial integration?

    Relax Steven. Clear your thoughts. And have a productive week ahead.

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  52. Jebat,

    Alas, you did some homework before you do reply.. I had wonder where were you and did I hurt your feelings..You had to read some books…(rather than the history books from the national school)

    I am in deeed pleased that you noted appreciations to two ( at least) chinese Malaysians… malays/UMNO should do this more often.. lest a few more boldly and foolishly says chinese are pendatang and should shut up…

    Some more facts:

    1. Closing the chinese school will hurt BN more.

    2. IT should be chinese language school (CLS)… nothing racial agenda

    3. MCA members and leaders, supporting BN malays , are mostly from these Chinese language schools…

    4. Non mandarin reader chinese ie from national school speaking english or bahasa join DAP or Gerakan etc..).

    5. There is hardly any real violent political movement spring from the chinese schools..ie no threat to country or malay or sultan or NEP

    6. Actually malaysian chinese rather you keep the NEP

    7. Chinese politicials politely and hamoniously address malays ..as ” saudara encik … ” in DAP and as “brethren..” in MCA

    8. How do malays address the chinese ..? .. orang asing ? bangsa asing? , ” mereka yang lain..”

    So you see, CLS is not cause or any disunity…

    JMD : Wow.. you made yourself sound so virtuous with this comment… however, instead of saying Umno/BN should appreciate chinese BN politicians more often, maybe you should advise yourself first. As I recalled, you blasted Tun HS Tan as a traitor in your recent comments here. Until I highlighted his contributions to the country.

    Oh yeah.. the reason I replied late because I had to speed read 100 books and interviewed both (Tun Tan and Tun HS) peers within two days! Just to educate you!

    Your welcome.

    And your insinuations that our national school’s history books do not provide historical accounts about both these figures are malicious indeed. What are you? A hate monger? To my recollection, I firstly learned about both of them in history lessons in national schools. Both are deemed as our founding fathers.

    I don’t know from which history books you learnt about Tun HS Lee that made you labelled him as a traitor.

    And also, if you did not get my sarcasm above, mostly what I wrote in my comment was based from my own experience dealing with this subject. Not from imagination. I thought stories about HS Lee and his contribution in the Rundingan Baling is all known to public. I do not have to read further books just to counter argue you.

    But I am thankful that you had appreciate the way I corrected your own mistakes.

    By the way, it is your choice to send your kids to vernacular schools. But please do not incite hatred by stating unfairly the name calling between the races. You think it is only one sided? How many times do we hear the words Malay Kwai being uttered blatantly in public?

    Aiyoh Steven, if you do not have any more proof to substantiate your claim that segregation do not breed racism, then you should just refrain yourself from writing more.

    Personally, I think you did not expose yourself with the variety of proof that chinese schools was the breeding ground for chinese chauvinism and communism. Among the end result of this unrestrained chauvinism is May 13. Please read Tunku Abdul Rahman’s May 13 : Before and After.

    Thank you.

    p.s. : If I reply late, that means I have something else to do besides blogging. So be patient. But it is quite okay to flatter yourself🙂

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  53. Dear jebat

    You have a point about mixing to get a good mix… ( a genuine complement , smile lah !)

    The fact is this: I came out from the national school, ie a product that you would get from the mixing..

    And, the product have this to say:

    1. I am sending my kids to the CLS..chinese language school..now,

    2. I regreted that i was the one that missed the CLS..

    3. Thinking back.. i can only remenbered in national school… malays clasmates called us “orang asing” ,… called us in derogatory slang ” orang ci-nah tu “…

    4. And then the government separated me and my malay friends,, for policies only good to them… they were ” called” to Sekolah Teknik .. and then to Matriculasi, to MARA, to UTM etc… and then to universities in USA ect.. ALL with scholarships..happily ever after..

    You can keep yr NEP.. to yr doom ( pardon me, but then its true ..)

    JMD : Another hate mongering comment by you which I think is nothing more than malicious. But first thing first, the NEP. You are accepting it. Okay good. (Mainly because the Malays are heading for doom and it is to your benefit to retain it).

    Secondly, to say all your Malay friends went to NEP based school is quite hilarious indeed. That is pure hogwash. Millions of Malay boys did not go to those institutions after their LCE/SRP/PMR. You mean you stopped befriending Malays after your Form Three education? They disappear from your radar?

    How preposterous! Making a mountain out of an anthill just to satisfy your racist tendency? But you are not condemning the disappearance of Malays from your surroundings didn’t you? You are actually condemning the affirmative action in the form of NEP.

    Right? It’s just that you cannot pin point the source of your grumbling. You are okay living here in Malaysia all this while but suddenly you kept hearing all those hate mongering by the chauvinist politicians that made you cried mad in anger over these so called unfair social and political structure here in Malaysia.

    Basically, all these questions and grouses from you had been discussed, argued, rebutted, in my articles before. Please feel free to search them. Just browse through the appropriate categories on the right (if you have the passion for reading and the patience to finish what you started)

    Thank you.

    p.s: I do hope you have fond memories with the Malays. I always thought that all these racial slurs are in the confine of politicians and self centred people.

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  54. jebat,

    You are arguing based on old history….

    History is history, we have to look forward under present challenges. too,

    Even if history are subject to interpretation by the likes of you, you cannot deny that communits fought japanese….

    and today, Malaysia shake hands with China and Japan!

    Times have change dear jebat, wake up lah…

    You shd also not deny that malays communist were also a powerful element,

    Today many malays also study in the chinese schools, whic is non racial

    ANOTHER fact you must not deny is that : the chinese schools today are indeed SAMA aliran as the national… the syallabus are as per the national , as evident, they are called the : national type:!!!.. so to what extend do these schools of lain aliran and cause of disunity is minimised..and shd not be further politised for politic sake…

    In short, the chinese schools today are different ..the perception are different,,,the products are different and the demand out there are different…likewise te offeer out there..

    BTW who won in KT? ( got my point>)

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  55. jebat,

    on unity:

    How may malay wear chongsam as compared to chinese wearing baju melayu ?\

    How many malay eats in chinese shops compared with non malays eating nasi lemak, nasi dagang, nasi kandar etc?

    How many malay speaks mandarin, as compared to chinese who speaks bahasa.

    How many chinese visit malay houses for raya compared to malays visitng chinese house for CNY.

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  56. Apahal si Steven ni? cakap belit belit! Kalau hati dah busuk tu.. semua benda pun nak komplen.. sendiri cari pasal, taichi kat orang pulak… insaf la sikit..

    You are not the only one with an opinion. But one should know when to keep quiet.. as your prolonged masturbation of thought would only show how desperate you are in trying to defile the minds of people in general.

    Adios..

    JMD : Thank you Soraya. JMD will be back soon enough.

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  57. Steven,
    In regards on how many malays eat in chinese restaurants cannot be a reason for a question of unity. You can, in the event you can confirm the food are halal for muslim..and not just a ‘halal’ mark..pure halal according to Islam. Can you do it? Can all other non-muslim do it?

    It is not because we don’t want, it’s because ‘halal’ or ‘haram’. Even mamak stall where muslims are not confident with halal status, we don’t eat there.

    And oh yeah, before you dwell on halal and haram, please understand it from Islamic perspective ya..not just barging in without any safety precaution…

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  58. Hi all…

    Agreed with ondastreet. About people of certain race/religion not eating in restaurants/cafes/stalls run by those of other race/religion, this has nothing to do with unity or disunity.

    To be fair, most Buddhists and Hindus won’t eat at Muslim restaurants due to the extensive use of beef – besides differing culinary preferences eg. different menus and recipes, no mood-boosting liquor, etc.. LIKEWISE, most of abiding Muslims would refrain from eating or buying foods from usual non-Muslim restaurants due to use of pork, pork oil, as well as other meats which slaughtering is non-compliant to Islamic rites, presence of alcohol, presence of meat of other animals (esp the exotic ones) which are mostly prohibited (haram) too.

    Steven should use the abundance of online information to do himself a research on different diet regulations of different religions eg. the Halal law, instead of pretending to know what he doesn’t actually know. Perhaps part of my response to a comment by Fann in a previous article can help a little bit:
    https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/12/25/merry-christmas/

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  59. Hey JMD,

    Glad to see that EWO’s views is still being actively twisted and subverted to support another racist point of view. Just to set the record straight and give you some perspective, here’s my post on what I think could be the ideal solution to our education issues in Malaysia.

    Please note the date I posted this as opposed to when KijangMas replied my comment on his blog. And also please not the tone in which I posted this piece as opposed to how Demi Negara attempts to portray me.

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    Saturday, December 13, 2008

    The Solution For Malaysian Education

    1) Government should only pay for a SINGLE NATIONAL STANDARDISED education system. (There is no reason why the government should pay for different school systems. A parent will not cook 3 dinners for 3 children. All 3 children eat the same dinner – whatever is on the table!) This structure and content of this standardised system should be decided on by academicians and stakeholders. Politics & politicians, please PISS OFF!

    2) ALL other alternative streams of education (including vernacular schools) should be freely allowed, but are to be privately-funded. Those who insist on sending their kids to vernacular schools will have to pay private-school fees (and these schools must open their doors to welcome other races without discrimination). Those who can’t afford the fees, will send their kids to National schools.

    3) As a people-friendly government, it should set aside a certain amount of money to aid needy alternative-stream schools. However, any government funding for these schools will be approved on a case-to-case basis, based on pre-determined criteria (with priority given to schools that serve a socially-concerned function such as schools for the handicapped), at the recommendation of a board made up of academicians and stakeholders, duly elected by stakeholders. Politicians and politics, PISS OFF!

    4) Government should also set aside a certain amount of money as scholarships for students to study in alternative-stream schools. Again, any government scholarship for these students will be approved on a case-to-case basis, based on pre-determined criteria (with priority given to help poor students who achieve outstanding results in a specific area not offered in national schools. For example, a piano scholarship for a child to go to a school for the musically gifted). Scholarships will be recommended by a board made up of academicians and stakeholders, duly elected by the stakeholders. Again, politicians and politics – PISS OFF!

    In this way, there is a choice of school available to everyone, so that every child will be able to find his place in any school system that suits him/her. No child will be left behind.

    It will also open up the various school systems to proper competition (both intra-school and inter-system) because children from the various races will be more evenly distributed among the various schools. The racial distribution of talent is more even, so it’s a great opportunity for them to interact and integrate. And with competition, our children can begin to learn how to forget about skin colour and instead respect each other for their abilities and achievements.

    It would be up to the various systems to attract and nurture the best and the brightest. If the private school systems are consistently trumping the government school system in exam results, it would be immediate feedback for the Ministry of Education to buck up and do something to improve the quality of education. If the National schools system trumps the alternative streams, then parents will lose incentive to send their children there and they will die a natural death. It’s survival of the fittest – and this ensures that the talent pool in Malaysia continues to grow.

    Why should there be so much gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair? Simple what…no need to force anyone to do anything at all.

    Posted by Eyes Wide Open
    Labels: education, vernacular schools

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    Anything remotely racist in this posting? I don;t think so. Unless you’re not one of those who see a non-Malay devil behind every cyber-bush! Then every word uttered by a non-Malay would be to you the word of Satan himself and I would have nothing more to say la…

    Anyway, Kijangmas completely ignored my salient points, only picking out those statements with which he could have a remote chance of twisting into a race issue. He made no attempt to research my views from my blog. And not one of the people on Demi Negara attacked my points but everyone was attacking me personally.

    That’s why I refused to debate KijangMas and his kaki. I don’t laugh with hyenas.

    Anyway, allow me a final word on education.

    What is the priority here amidst all this argument? In all the views about how schools should be used for racial integration, where’s the REAL debate – about the quality of our education system?

    Fix the education system first, get the politicians dirty paws out of the system, allow the academics to do their job properly. THEN we’ll have a world-class education system that ALL MALAYSIANS can be proud of!

    JMD : Of course there is nothing racist about your suggestions. They have their merits. And what’s so racist about me trying to get our children to study together under one roof n under one streamlined school system? My intention was to unify our children so that they will not be segregated and racial polarisation will not be more acute in the future.

    It was the constant barrage of racist taunts that kept on pummeling this idea that should be labelled as racist.

    And no Eyes Wide Open, never would I deem your comments as the word of Satan. I am with you on the need to review and revise our education system. I stated before numerous times. The only difference in our ideas is the differing views on how to treat the vernacular school issue.

    You contended that school streams should be open for competition. Survival of the fittest. The onus should be on the Education system to buck up.

    I on the other hand would like to see more direct, hands on approach; for immediate results.

    I see that we have one mutual view here. To see that the national school system be strengthened. Above all, we need to have a high quality education system. Who doesn’t? It would be a remiss of duty for me if I do not advocate extremely high standards of our teaching and learning skills.

    But why wait for other vernacular school system to die a natural death in the far future? Nothing racist about this my friend. I just want to see our children come study and play together in one environment. It is not about trying to kill the culture of other communities.

    Like I said before too, national schools must be attractive to ALL; in order to have the intended effect of national integration. We need to do it fast. Perhaps within 10 years, we should all have one streamlined education system based on the tenets of the Constitution and Rukunegara. I just wish the next education minister will know what his priorities are. Our education system is in the dumps. It is disarrayed and too clustered. Something must be done soon.

    I would like to point out that there was only once in our history where an academician was appointed to the post of Education Minister in order to alleviate our declining education system. It needed the steady and powerful hands of Tun Dr Mahathir to appoint a non politician to lead one of the most powerful portfolio in the cabinet. Tan Sri Musa Mohamad was appointed in 1999 to do exactly what you said above – to fix the education system.

    Most Umno warlords were not happy due to that appointment. After all, he is not a politician. He was not even a candidate in the general election. Not even a high ranking Umno member. Although he was the Vice Chancellor of USM.

    History will judge whether TS Musa Mohamad was successful or not in his short stint (4+ years) as the Education Minister.

    But I digress. Anyway, the intention of streamlining our education system was never a racial one. Just to see our children get a good education in the midst of getting to know one another at the most interactive stage.

    But some quarters felt that it is an affront to their own racist mind. Thus, all the comments were laced with racial undertone. Citing sedition and call for blood. Defending, rebutting and debunking each other’s arguments which mostly are not about the real objective. Who started it first? Basically those who cannot accept the idea in the first place. It was a good opportunity to stand together in the face of reaching a common goal. Be it through my way, or through your way. But chauvinist minds quickly doused the idea even before it can be deliberated even further.

    Thank you.

    P.S; I have another suggestion regarding our scholarships. Since scholarship quota is one of the recent contention amongst the non Malays, then I would like to suggest the creation of honorary scholarship rewards.

    Lets face it, there is a limit to scholarships. The treasury is not a bottomless pit. Budget constraints will ultimately be the main deterrent of further scholarship placements.

    On the other hand, scholarships are treated like a privilege given after an excellent academic result. You are rewarded with good scholarships should you excel in your studies.

    Thus, many of the poor and the rich Malays receive the JPA scholarships (I believe JPA is one of the highest standard in our scholarship scale – if there is such a thing). Anyway, if it’s not JPA then maybe its Petronas. It doesn’t matter.

    The point is, excellent exam results is the criteria used to receive such scholarships. It is an honor to receive such scholarships. Much like how people treat the Chevening scholarship etc. Doesn’t matter what your financial background is.

    Therefore I propose, that a rich Malay student (his parents actually) be given an option to give away the scholarship that he received and be given the title of ‘honorary scholarship’ instead. His portion will then be given to the poor non Malay students who need it more.

    Of course, honorary scholarship student should be given incentives in the form of tax breaks (for the parents), priority job placement upon good result and other perks that can be construed as adequate for the parents and students to forego the immediate monetary benefit a scholarship could bring. I am sure many super rich Malay parents have the capacity to send their children to universities without further assistance from the scholarship.

    In the end, it helps to release more fund to reward scholarships to more non Malay students.

    Thank you.

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  60. JMD,

    Thanks for responding to my post with dignity. After my DemiNegara fiasco – it certainly is a breath of fresh air.

    I’m not sure if you got my point re DemiNegara though. You saw my post as non-racist, but you still felt that I accused you of racism. I was merely referring to KijangMas when I said that my words were being cast in a racist light. As your cut-and-paste above shows, KijangMas saw EVERYTHING I said as racist. It was not an accusation to you per se, although you did use his attempt to paint me as a typical Chinese-chauvinist as an example.

    Anyway, my contention from the start was merely that elimination of vernacular school should not be forced. This would only drive the Chinese-chauvinists to take drastic action (DN chose to interpret this as an example of my chauvinism, although I was merely stating the facts as they stand). As it is, the MCA-controlled Dong Jiao Zong has started to make gruntings in this direction (you can read my hantam of them on my blog).

    Opening every school stream to every race is one way of integration. Allowing the survival of the fittest will draw mutual respect as then accusations of racial favouritism would no longer be relevant. And certainly, I find there is nothing wrong about vernacular education – as it is, it is only for primary schools. And knowledge of another language or culture is never a disadvantage, don’t you think?

    And KijangMas’ bold contention that no other country in the world has governments who sponsor vernacular schools proves that he does not know his facts. Switzerland is an excellent example of multi-language stream education (if our Malaysian Educationists can take a leaf from them, it would be excellent!) Even our ex colonial masters practise it to a degree.

    I’m afraid that for all his bluster and wit, when it comes to real substance, KijangMas is merely another racist contributing to the racial divide in our country. And that was why I stood up to him. In the end, he dared not face me (you can read on my blog the two responses that I gave him that he hid from the world – maybe because he simply had no answer to it).

    My blog is called Eyes Wide Open for a reason – I want to be able to see things from a different perspective. Especially, NOT from a racial perspective. I want to see things from a MALAYSIAN perspective (and maybe encourage some people to do the same). I am proud of my Chinese heritage, but I am MALAYSIAN. I do not hanker to return to my so-called roots in China – I have none! My roots are firmly di dalam tanahairku. I forward no Chinese-centric views, but views on how to build a better Malaysia for all MALAYSIANS.

    Can the Malay-centric bloggers do the same for the sake of Malaysia? Or is the concept of Tuan Tanah vs Pendatang too firmly ingrained?

    JMD : JMD : Thank you for the comment. First and foremost, I copy pasted your comment in DN not because I wanted to tell Steven that you are a racist. I put it there for Steven to seek answers for some of his questions in his comment earlier. Like I said then :

    Anyway, if you (Steven) have the time to indulge me, please read the banter between Kijang Mas of Demi Negara fame and his commentator. Perhaps it may answer some of your questions

    That was it. The comments from that paragraph onwards was all DN’s, not mine.

    Secondly, Demi Negara’s point of views is tantamount to his own perception on how Malaysia should be in the future. It is his opinion. The veracity of his opinion can be the same like yours. You have your definitive assertions on how to build a better Malaysia while he has his.

    I cannot speak on behalf of DN since I myself rarely commented in his blog. However, I do enjoy his postings. I believe his blog is the epitome of Malay response in dealing with chauvinistic attitude of some non Malays. You also know how brash some of the racist groups within our political sphere in taunting and challenging the sensitive areas within the Constitution.

    His points do have merits. Having said that, I firmly believe you are a Malaysian and Malaysia is indeed your home.

    But the same can’t be said to people who continuously harp on the issues that Malays are inferior, should not hold power in Malaysia, had no part in the struggle of Independence, Islam should not be the official religion, undermining the Constitution, the Monarchy are irrelevant so on and so forth.

    Of course all these stemmed forth and nurtured even further through weak leadership of the government.

    Nevertheless, if there are ‘Malay-centric’ blogs out there, they definitely cannot outnumber the ‘Anti-Malay-centric’ blogs.

    Thank you for the comment. Will keep my eyes open to your blog postings🙂

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  61. I have. Ever since I landed on DN. I decided to participate in the discussion as I thought it would be beneficial to come to some kind of an understanding in this contentious issue.

    However, instead of drawing conclusions just from reading KijangMas’ mutilation of my original post, allow me to present it unmolested here and you be the judge as the the level of racism inherent in what I said.

    ——————–

    Before I start, let me clarify where my perspective is coming from.

    I am a non-Malay, born in Malaysia. I studied in a multi-racial mission school, with good friends from various races throughout my life.

    Currently, I am an educator, but not part of the national school system in any of its forms. I have school-age students from the 3 major races in Malaysia and also several “dan lain-lain” and even foreigners from East and West. I am part of a network of dedicated educators that span the world.

    I am neither for or against vernacular schools, but I am for parents’ freedom to choose whichever form of education they deem best for their children.

    That said, let me begin.

    I think the biggest mistake that anyone can make in this whole debate about national unity and education is the assumption that everyone must be allowed to speak only one language.

    If being multi-language was the barrier to anything, the great explorers of the past would never have ventured beyond their own villages. Heck, even residents in different areas of London city can’t understand each other sometimes because of the various dialects spoken.

    Language is never a barrier to anything IF we have the will to overcome it.

    For example, I have students who can only speak Tamil. Do I reject them the opportunity to learn because I can’t speak Tamil? NO! I speak to him as much as he understands in whatever language he understands that I am capable of speaking. And thank God I have staff who can speak Tamil so I can communicate more effectively with him! It is the same for all my other students. I converse with them in Mandarin, Cantonese, Bahasa Melayu, English and even the few words of Hokkien, Tamil or Japanese that I know! Anything to get my message across.

    As an educator, I have students from Chinese and Tamil vernacular schools, national schools and private national-syllabus schools, international schools and even home-schools. Each one of these schools have their own strengths and weaknesses. In most cases, language is the least of their problems. The major problems are the teachers and the syllabus that is being taught.

    No matter what you say about the constitutionality of the vernacular school system, I’m afraid this issue goes beyond the Constitution. To effectively build national unity, yes the schools play a role. But more importantly, national unity is a mindset and it is nurtured in the FAMILY.

    The real problem of why national unity is lacking lies with the people who hold on to narrow communal sentiments, and one way this is expressed is holding on to the vernacular school system for whatever reasons of security it provides them. These same people would kick up helluva fuss if forced to part with their source of comfort. Sure, you can make them, but will it address the deeper issue of their own personal worldview?

    If these people are FORCED to give up what they hold dear in favour of what they see as “inferior” or “not belonging to them”, will they become more united or more polarised?

    Well, they may become more united – against the people who forced their hand!

    In my school days, Chinese and Tamil schools were widely regarded as second-grade institutions. Only the less-educated and economically-backward families (hawkers, labourers, etc) would send their kids to these schools. They were seen as having cultural hang-ups that prevented them from moving forward in life – and that was why they remained in the lower levels of society…

    Most forward-looking Chinese and Indian parents then would not dream of sending their kids to these schools. They only saw hope in mission schools (where English was still the main medium) or national schools (Malay-medium) as these were seen as the only way their kids could survive in Malaysia and the world at large. Even Chinese-educated parents who managed to work their way up in life (like my father) wanted us to either go to a mission school or national school.

    But in the 3 or so decades since then, why has vernacular schools seen such a resurgence? Now, 95% of Chinese-descended children study in Chinese-medium schools. And even Tamil schools are enjoying a Rennaissance, with increasing enrolments. Many have gone from second-grade institutions to top-class performers.

    Why?

    The simple answer is – most non-Malay parents feel that the national school system is not good enough. And it’s easy to understand why. Take a drive to your nearest national schools. How many of them proudly display a huge sign at the front gate, saying:

    “SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!”

    What? Congratulations simply for COMING to school? If they had said “SYABAS kerana menhadiri semua kelas hari ini” it wouldn’t have been so bad!

    If the level deemed deserving of praise is set so low, what can be said of the level of intelligence produced by these schools? Sure, we have students with multiple A’s, but many of these same students are also those who can’t articulate any original or independent thought!

    Also, the present national school system is bogged down with so much political baggage. Just look at the debates over Bahasa Melayu vs English, Sejarah and its revisionist textbooks, directives over not inviting Pakatan VIPs to attend school functions, etc. These polarising debates are carried out in full public views by politicians of all stripes. All of them are jostling for position, educating children is the furthest thing from their minds.

    And this racial polarising is encouraged by our politicians with their grand pronouncements on the comparative superiority or inferiority of races, religions and cultures living within Malaysia. It’s no wonder that non-Malays feel rejected in their own country. The natural reaction would be to withdraw into the relative safety of familiar surroundings – in this case, mixing with people of the same culture and colour. It’s the “you don’t want me, so I don’t want you too!” mentality – and it’s all to human.

    Where are the dedicated academics in all of this? Amid all the political hullabaloo, does anyone even remember that schools are for educating our children?

    To say that vernacular schools are the source of racial polarisation is only addressing part of the problem. We cannot take such a simplistic approach in calling for the closing down vernacular schools “for the sake of national unity”. The underlying reasons for the trend of preferring vernacular schools must be honestly identified and intelligently addressed. To shut down these schools based on racial assumptions is myopic and will open up a whole other can of worms to be exploited by politicians.

    Such racial thinking does not only exist in the minds of non-Malays, mind you. I have come across many Malays who come into my centre, like the program but will not enrol simply because I do not have as many Malay students as they prefer. Come on, what has that got to do with anything? Is race more important than quality education? I treat all my students the same, the ratio of high performers corresponds to the racial mix of my student demographic – isn’t that proof enough that I practise no discrimination? Why discriminate against me then?

    I especially disagree with Demi Negara that Chinese vernacular schools breed low-skill and crime-prone citizens. I would invite you to any Tamil, Chinese and National schools to visit the classes and the students before making such an unqualified blanket judgment. You would find more or less the same ratio of high, medium and low performers in any school. Intelligence, discipline and good manners are not racial traits – they are nurtured in the family and in schools.

    I am not advocating shutting down of vernacular school systems to establish a single system for all. If anything, I would advocate MORE choices of education! That era is over! That system was designed to address the needs of the Industrial Revolution where industrialists needed large numbers of people able to perform standardised tasks. Today, with the proliferation of choice in every sphere of life – from religion to coffee, from sexual preference to furniture – where does the “one size fits all” mentality fit in?

    Let there be MORE CHOICE – national schools, vernacular schools, home schools, private schools, sports schools, music schools, art schools, dance schools, schools for the gifted, schools for the handicapped, etc. So that there is a school to fit the need of every individual in the country.

    If we can just take the political equation out of education, maybe we can begin to rebuild a world-class education system that can prepare our children for a globalised world. Leave education to apolitical experts! Let there be competition to produce the best students – not those who can regurgitate textbook answers, but those who can think outside the box and innovate.

    When national schools can produce those kinds of students, believe me, vernacular schools will lose their attractiveness. People of all races will be competing to get into national schools!

    But since a revamp of our education seems to be far off yet, the way to national unity is for people of all races to teach our children not to be suspicious of others simply because they are of a different race than ourselves.

    December 10, 2008 9:00 PM

    —————

    I posted this because the tone of discussion on DemiNegara was becoming increasingly “Us vs Them”, “Tuan Tanah vs the Ungrateful Pendatang” and the growing feelings expressed that the Pendatangs should be sufficiently punished for their insolence, etc. I merely pointed out a non-partisan and non-racial point of view.

    It was an attempt to draw the discussion away from racial lines and re-focus it back on the REAL issues involved in Malaysian education and understanding the underlying currents buoying the vernacular school issue so we can maybe arrive at a solution that’s acceptable to all.

    Anyway, thanks for responding. It is a pleasure to engage in a REAL discussion with someone who has a differing POV rather than having to stave off certain cyber-hyenas.

    JMD : Your welcome. Sorry if I approved this late. If a comment is too long, it will be parked in the spam section (I seldom view my spam section anyway). As an advise, I wish you could engage with DN more. I’m sure you can hold strong to your beliefs and the banter between you two enlightens the blogosphere even more!🙂

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  62. Well, he can always come to my space. I don’t moderate my comments to make myself look good… And I don’t have a posse!

    Salam..

    JMD : Well then, you and I are the ugliest blogger in town!🙂 But it’s not true you do not have a posse my friend.

    Anybody having the same views as you are in the blogosphere can be considered as your posse…

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  63. Dear jebat and allies,

    I read your views.

    You guys are actually proposing :”Totalitarian” which of course give you so called “unity”.. but at your term…

    In history, there are such regimes and they failed miserable..

    God made us different, so live harmony dispite the differences…perhaps HE is testing us..

    end.

    JMD : Thank you for the comment. I believe Singapore is a totalitarian government as well. Where they ‘attempt to mold the private life, soul, and morals of citizens to a dominant ideology’.

    It gives unity.. but at their government’s own term. What is wrong with that?

    I’d gladly follow a progressive and prosperous totalitarianism than a weak, tumultuous, regressing and democratised government.

    Thank you.

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  64. steven,

    We lived in a quasi-totalitarian govt for many years, did we not? Tell me which part of Malaysian govt, civil service, mass media and major businesses are not controlled or influenced by the BN?

    But as the saying goes, “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!” The BN has been enjoying absolute power for decades, and we are seeing the final stages of their corruption.

    They really only have to options – reform and purge their party of the corrupted, or be replaced. Most likely they will be replaced because they can’t seem to reform…

    JMD,

    S’pore isn’t that great an example la. The citizens simmer under the totalitarianism but they tolerate it because the govt is doing such a damn good job of running the country. They day will come when “absolute power corrupts absolutely” and they will be facing what Malaysia is facing now.

    Sad, but ultimately will be true…

    JMD : Thank you for the comment. I agree with your comment. This shows that, to an extent, regardless what type of government there is, good leadership is the most vital criteria to ensure the wellbeing of the nation.

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  65. If you can get your hands on some Jack Neo movies, you can see how he pokes fun at the Singaporean society and the govt. But not too overboard la, otherwise he’d be sued to bankruptcy like many Opposition pols! Damn funny movies too!

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  66. Think Think Think,

    You cannot exchange vernacular schools with NEP. NEP is not the “quid pro quo” (the consideration, the compensation) for vernacular schools.

    NEP was decided upon based on the special right of the Malays as stated in Article 153 of the Constitution. The consideration for the special right was the Malays agreeing to the non-Malays getting citizenship at Merdeka time. This was later called the “Social Contract” between the leaders of the Malays and the non-Malays – our founding fathers or forefathers. The “quid pro quo” for the special right (which includes NEP) is citizenship for the non-Malays.

    You all have used your right to citizenship. You, your parents, maybe your grandparents, have become Malaysian citizens. Your children and grandchildren will automatically get that citizenship. Let the Malays have and use the NEP.

    They need the NEP. So much have been written about why the NEP is needed. So far, they asked only 30%, although the economically backward Bumiputeras form the majority of the population. And that is 30% only of corporate wealth, not other forms of wealth. Now they have achieved less than 20%.

    The Malay special right cannot be taken away just as the citizenship of the non-Malays cannot be taken away.

    But, for those who ask the Malays to give up NEP, are they willing to give up their citizenship? Remember, that was the “quid pro quo”, the consideration, the compensation for the Malays agreeing to the non-Malays getting citizenship at Merdeka time.

    The vernacular schools were allowed by the Government but it has become a problem for the creation of a Bangsa Malaysia. We must have a united Bangsa Malaysia so that we, our children and grandchildren can live peacefully and harmoniously in the future.

    When a true Bangsa Malaysia comes out, we need not identify ourselves as Malays, Chinese, Indians, etc. Like in Thailand, where there are about 30% ethnic Chinese, they all call themselves Thais, including one former Prime Minister.

    We cannot have a bangsa Malaysia if there Malaysians who cannot speak Bahasa Malaysia, respect the Constitution of the country, honour the “Social Contract”, etc.

    We cannot have a Bangsa Malaysia if Malaysians of one race don’t mix with Malaysians of other races. We would end up calling ourselves Malays, Chinese, Indians and so on. Bangsa Malaysia refers to Malaysians of all the ethnic origins existing in our country.

    It is very difficult for those attending vernacular schools to speak Bahasa Malaysia well and mix with others readily. In vernacular schools, there are only children of one race, except maybe the odd one or two.

    So Think, think about what I have written above.

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  67. Eyes Wide Open,

    May I say that as an educator, you have a big role to play. Important that you get the relevant facts and the correct perspective of the history of our country, the rationale for national unity, etc.

    Most of all, you need to get the correct assumptions. Your “assumption that
    everyone must be allowed to speak only one language” is wrong. Nobody has said that. They say everybody has to speak the official language, Bahasa Malaysia, in schools, official and formal communication, and when in the presence of others, because it is imperative that we develop a Bangsa Malaysia so that we and future generations can live peaceully and harmoniously in this country.

    JMD has given a lot of explanations in his past postings regarding Bangsa Malaysia, the Constitution, the Social Contract among our forefathers, national unity, etc. Allow me to do my bit in helping you understand the issues and what are at stake.

    What I wrote for Think Think Think, above, applies.

    Bahasa Malaysia is written in the Constitution. All Malaysians must respect the Constitution. It’s the first requirement of a citizen and of a Bangsa Malaysia. It’s a mark of loyalty to the country, so essential for social cohesion, national unity and nation building.

    You are correct that national unity is a mindset. But holding on to the vernacular school system is not a correct mindset. The medium of instruction, the curriculum, etc, are not streamlined with the national schools system and are therefore not conducive to the concept of togetherness in the creation of a Bangsa Malaysia. The children hardly speak the official language and do not interact with others and will find difficulty in adjusting in a society of multi-ethnic origin, of a Bangsa Malaysia. So, the development of a Bangsa Malaysia becomes difficult as a result.

    Our founding fathers (the major racial groups were represented), having agreed, drafted and accepted the Constituion as law, not long after Merdeka started the slogans “Bahasa Jiwa Bangsa”, “Satu Bahasa Satu Bangsa” etc.
    It’s Bangsa Malaysia they meant. Now it’s our job to trannslate those into reality – it’s high time; for goodness sake, it’s been 50 years. We need everybody to recognise, accept and use Bahasa Malaysia as a means to forge Bangsa Malaysia.

    Of course it is unreasonable to try propagate Mandarin. It is the national or official language of China. You can’t propagate the national language of a foreign country in your own country.

    “Holding on to the vernacular school system for reason of security” is not
    a valid stand. There’s no reason to feel insecure if they accept Bahasa Malaysia, the Constitution and the need to forge a Bangsa Malaysia. If they cannot accept the Constitution and are not willing to become a Bangsa Malaysia, then it’s a mindset problem again. You need to play your role there

    “Inferior national schools standard”, “rise in vernacular schools enrolment” –
    that’s not the fault of the system, it’s the fault of implementation, administration, inspectorate, etc. If your right arm does not function properly, you don’t do away or cut it – you treat it. The arm is necessary for daily functioning. It may take time to heal but China was not built in 3 years. China has 3,500 years history but in modern history they became respected in the world only in the last 1-2 decades.

    Just because a school poster compliments pupils for attending school that day, the national schools system is inferior? My dear friend, you are an educator, surely you can see the bush for the trees.

    Choice of schools – they can have many choices but, as far as system goes, it must be that which does not run counter to the efforts of building national unity, Bangsa Malaysia and a cohesive, peaceful and harmonious nation.

    I hope to speak to you again EWO.

    Best wishes.

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  68. JMD,

    It’s not my intention to monopolise the columns but I cannot keep quiet when I read statements that require clarification or rebuttal. Hope you allow my successive postings. Anyway, orang baru blogging lah.

    Aniseed,

    Closing Vernacular schools and what about MRSMs? Please read what I wrote for Think Think Think, above.

    The point you made is that MRSM pupils also don’t mix. But there is no worry on that. They belong to the majority group in the country. Anywhere in the world, it’s the minority who conforms to the ways of the majority. We are not talking about assimilation here, just adjusting to some of the ways of the majority, for example, language (except when communicating only among yourselves), not spitting or clearing the throat in public, etc.

    MRSMs are part of NEP and NEP is in pursuit of Article 153 of the Constitution which has been agreed by our forefathers. NEP pertains to the creation of Malay wealth (only 30%, and only of corporate wealth, has been asked). With more Malays in higher education (prepared by MRSMs), better chances of accelerated achievement of the NEP objective – one generation has passed but less than 20% achieved so far.

    As historically Malays were not-business-inclined/ oriented, not many even understand the Stock Exchange, let alone corporate wealth acquisition.
    The various public companies take-overs, reverse take-overs, management buy-outs etc were carried out with non-Malay participation and perhaps guidance or advice.

    And the rationale for the NEP had been the elimination of the identification of race by economic functions and national unity. Let’s pursue national unity so that our children, grandchildren and generations after them can live in peace and harmony in this country.

    Best wishes.

    JMD : Thank you for the comments.

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  69. Malays began to migrate to Malaysia in noticeable numbers only about 700 years ago. The babas are longer.

    Of the 39% Malays in Malaysia t , about one-third are comparatively new immigrants .

    Therefore it is wrong and illogical for a particular racial group to think that they are more justified to be called Malaysians and that the others can become Malaysian only through their favour.

    “Malaysia — to whom does it belong? To Malaysians.

    But who are Malaysians?

    Not too long ago, at independence, the ethnic composition of Malaysia, the non-Malays were in the majority, with 50-61% of the population to the Malays. the non malays shared malaysia with the malays. The early elecation of people’s reps were held in the cities and the non mlays were the leaders of the land.

    JMD : I wonder what are they teaching kids these days that can produce people like Hang Saya. Babas and nyonyas have been here in the peninsular longer than the Malays? There’s only 39% Malays in Malaysia now? One third are new immigrants? During independence there’s 60% non Malays as compared to the Malays? The early elections (I guess the pre-independence elections in 1952 and 1955) are held only in cities and the non Malays (not the British?) were the leaders of the land?

    No wonder the majority of Malays resent people like Hang Saya. Trying to ‘fictionalise’ history is another method of these people.

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  70. why why why

    the gov policies “separates” us the people between malays, chinese indians , dll. or course we are dif races. but what must policies be based on this, bumiputras and all… and laws in place to shut our mouth?

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