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When all else fail, Samy Vellu whacks his former boss (while other Umno leaders lost their balls)

Umno leaders should be shameful of themselves. When Samy Vellu criticised Tun Dr Mahathir, not one single Umno leader defended Tun Dr Mahathir over these serious allegations (and oversight) from Samy Vellu.

KUALA LUMPUR: Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad did very little for the Indian community when he was prime minister, MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu said yesterday.

Samy Vellu said the Indians had to struggle on their own for more than 140 years and achieved success only through sheer hard work .

“Despite the MIC appealing again and again for help, he refused to budge,” Samy Vellu said in response to Dr Mahathir’s remarks during a talk in Teluk Intan on Saturday.

The former prime minister had said the Malays were willing to admit other races into the country and endowed them with rights.

He had also demolished the notion of a Bangsa Malaysia and said Malaysians must accept the fact that they were just too different to be known as one race.

Dr Mahathir’s remarks have drawn flak from non-Malay groups, who felt that national unity was crucial for the country to meet its future challenges.

Samy Vellu said Dr Mahathir should not be taking a racist approach at a time when Malaysians were working hard towards unity. – NST

Lets look at the stats shall we? Taken from that big, thick book of Rancangan Malaysia ke 9, I extracted a table which I believe Samy Vellu had failed to read in between his toupee wash.

Kedudukan Sosio-Ekonomi Mengikut Kaum di Malaysia
(7 angkubah ini akan memberikan gambaran kedudukan sosio-ekonomi yang lebih lengkap)
No. Butiran Tahun Malaysia
Bumi Cina India Lain-lain Nominee Asing Jumlah
1 Ekuiti (%) 2004 18.9 39.0 1.2 0.4 8.0 32.5 100.0
2 Aset (%) 2005
2.1 Komersil 11.7 71.9 4.6 11.8 100.0
2.2 Hotel 14.3 69.3 3.2 13.2 100.0
2.3 Premis industri 4.8 70.4 1.5 23.3 100.0
3 Pendapatan bulanan isi rumah (RM) 2004 2,711 4,437 3,456 2,312 3,249
4 Kadar kemiskinan (%) 2004 8.3 0.6 2.9 6.9 5.7
5 Jurang pendapatan 2004
5.1 Bumiputera : Cina RM1:RM1.64
5.2 Bumiputera : India RM1:RM1.27
5.3 Gini Coefficient 0.4520 0.4460 0.4250 0.4620 0.4620
6 Pekerjaan (%) 2005
6.1 Pengurus dan pegawai kanan 37.1 55.1 7.1 0.7 100.0
6.2 Kerani 56.7 34.3 8.4 0.6 100.0
7 Profesional berdaftar 2005
7.1 Keseluruhan 38.8 48.7 10.6 1.9 100.0
7.2 Akauntan 20.8 73.6 4.4 1.2 100.0
7.3 Arkitek 45.3 53.1 1.4 0.2 100.0
7.4 Doktor 36.7 29.9 26.6 6.8 100.0
7.5 Doktor Gigi 44.4 35.3 18.4 1.9 100.0
7.6 Doktor Veterinar 39.0 32.2 24.8 4.0 100.0
7.7 Jurutera 46.0 47.6 5.4 1.0 100.0
7.8 Juru Ukur 48.2 47.0 3.2 1.6 100.0
7.9 Peguam 38.0 37.1 24.1 0.8 100.0
Nota: a – Dalam kawasan bandar sahaja; b – Sektor pembuatan
Gini Coefficient – ‘0’ (kesamarataan yang sempurna); ‘1’ (ketidaksamarataan yang amat buruk)

Judging from this statistic from RMK9 which Samy Vellu helped compiled, I can see that the status of Indians in this country are far better than the Malays. Note that the Indian composition in Malaysia is 7.4% while the Bumis are 66.6% but the average Indian household income is even higher than the Malays. The poverty rate of the Malays is at 8.3% as compared to the Indians at 2.9% while the percentage of Indians becoming doctors and lawyers are way higher than their population percentage! The only sort of employment that the Malays can be proud of which is nearer to their percentage of population is ‘kerani’ at 56.7%.

If Samy Vellu had meant that by saying Tun Dr Mahathir did very little to the Indian community, means Tun Dr Mahathir didn’t make every Indian in Malaysia as filthy rich as himself or Anandakrishnan, then his insolent rant could have been justified. But instead, he said, the Indians are lagging behind and had to struggle on their own. Bollocks. Isn’t MIC a part of BN? In fact, it was Tun Dr Mahathir who had hoped the Indians be united under BN with the inclusion of Indian Progressive Front party led by Tan Sri M.G Pandithan. But who fought against the idea? Samy Vellu himself.

But here we are listening yet again to a failed leader of the Indian community grasping at straws towards the end of his usefulness. At least the stats above proved that the NEP had worked since its establishment in 1970. The stats of the socio economy of Malays and Indians prior to 1970 was much, much worse.

Even the Chinese whom its majority had criticised the NEP the most, had benefitted tremendously from the NEP’s concept of sharing. Just look at the stats above and we can see that their success stories in every aspect outshine their own percentage in the Malaysian population. There is only about 26% of Chinese in Malaysia but they took the bulk in every profession except of course, the post of ‘kerani’.

Anyway, it was through the relentless struggle of all BN leaders in the past that had helped to enlarge the economic pie in which each Malaysian can share and enjoy.

If your knowledge on the history of this social contract is blurry (and clouded with poisonous propaganda of pro-meritocracy movement), this video will help you sort out any niggling doubts about power sharing and wealth sharing in Malaysia;

and this continuation:

It was a powerful speech by Tun Dr Mahathir and I implore everyone to hear it in totality.

In a slightly different note, where are the pitiful Umno leaders? When the former premier is being abused and talked down to like this, should they have the common sense and the intelligence to counter Samy Vellu’s allegations? Samy Vellu was trying to side step the issue of his failed leadership by whacking Pak Lah’s favourite bogeyman, Tun Dr Mahathir. This is nothing more than Samy Vellu’s cheap shot to show his diminishing prowess to his people and at the same time demonising Tun Dr Mahathir. Maybe this is the prerequisite to be bestowed a Tunship under the current administration.

Shall we see a new ‘Tun’ in the near future?

43 thoughts on “When all else fail, Samy Vellu whacks his former boss (while other Umno leaders lost their balls)

  1. Yes,Samy Vellu and Abdullah Ahmad Badawi have similar qualities as unpopular leaders who won’t admit of their poor leadership.

    JMD :
    “A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from them, and strong enough to correct them.”

    John C. Maxwell
    American author, speaker and “leadership expert”
    (1947 – )

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  2. Your rubbish comment.

    Bumis are not malays in real number.

    They are orang asli in sabah and sarawak.

    JMD : Ok ok I made a mistake. Malays are 64% while the orang asli is less than 2% of overall population of Malaysia. So what is the issue here?

    In denial? The stats are wrong? Can’t accept another view? The fact is, the stats speaks for itself.

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  3. hello mr so is it true when tun mahathir comment that samy never ask anything particularly bout indian needs in cabinet – their annual meeting !? ANSWER IT ! dont just simply slamp when u r just seeing it in one side of ur view … i m not saying that samy is 100 % correct person but be rasional when u start to critic some one .

    JMD : OK OK I’M ANSWERING THIS!!🙂

    Well, if Samy can simply ‘slamp’ (?) his side of view why can’t I? Just look at the stats and you will know that what he was saying wasn’t entirely true. And to blame the so called ‘failure’ of Indians to only one person? Now now wouldn’t that be unfair? I am criticising him based on the stats which shows that the Indians as compared to their small percentage in the country fared better than the majority Malays in the country. What’s not rational about that?

    Anyway, this is just another politically motivated statement from Samy Vellu to attack someone no longer in power and at the same making someone looks good in the face of rising anger of the Malaysian public towards the cutting of fuel subsidies. If do not believe this, then read this :

    http://apanama2020.blogspot.com/2008/06/slippery-samy.html

    Anyway, everyone knows what Samy had been doing all this while. Singing different tune everytime when all blame were pointing at him. You be the judge.

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  4. Your rubbish comment.

    Malays are only 50% or even less than 40% in real number.

    Government data is false and to cheat brainless person like you.

    JMD : Dear vesewe,

    On what authority are you saying this? Where is your proof? Please do not give brainless comments if you do not have the accompanying facts to supplement your arguments.

    Thank you,

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  5. JMD,

    I you wrote a very good article. I will try to promotes your blog.

    I thank you for the information.

    Kamar

    JMD : Thank you Kamar. Knowledge is good.

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    “Men are four: He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool–shun him; He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple–teach him; He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep–wake him; He who knows and knows he knows, he is wise–follow him!”

    – Arabic proverb

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  6. Your rubbish comment.

    Use your own brain to find the real answers on internet.

    Or you want somebody to give you tongkat since you are less brainpower.

    JMD : Another brainless comment from you it seems. If you do not like my articles, then do not read it. If you do not believe in the stats, then take it with a pinch of salt.

    I do not need any tongkat to find any dubious ‘real’ answers on the internet but I do know you need a ‘tongkat’ to help you with your grammar.

    Thanks, but no thanks.

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  7. JMD, what is rubbish is the HINDRAF thing, vividly clear it is a racial agenda, and making claims that even my four year old son would laugh. But benggali Karpal did not make a police report.
    Does so-called social justice really exist for the poor Indians in their own motherland? Read National Geographic April issue 2008, I bet you will weep.

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  8. dear jmd,

    congratulations on your blog getting more visitor judging from the number of comments you are receiving of late.

    the arguments you put forward as always, (as i’d tell others) are of excellent quality, well researched and factually supplemented (read : RMK-9 2006-2010, chp16 pages 323-353, RM80 from you local bookstore!)

    sadly the quality of comments have since deteriorated, and i’m afraid that this site could become just another, well,typical site.

    I believe that it was Twain who penned, “It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt”

    JMD : Thanks for the support. How are the boys on the 4th floor office?🙂

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  9. Salam JMD. Firstly,your comment in TMD blog in form of letter is thought provoking.I’m sure and sincerely believe you are not racist but your more toward the malay because they happen to be the majority and at the same time they are bumi’s.You have a point and you make it a point.People who read your articles based on your observation and the 9th MP stat should take it in the right perpectives.But sadly we find that Malaysian are still thinking on racial line eventhough they admit and propagates that they are not racist.They simply flung their toungue as sword whenever a writer or a person of different race make or write anything about the other one.Base on this,I strongly believe that overall Malaysian are not ready for what they provess Malaysian Malaysia. It is still a wish and a bit far from sight.
    On MIC Presiden comment that during TDM”s tenure he did little for the Malaysian Indian and the indian community grows by themself only proof that for 22 yrs the President Of MIC did nothing to correct the BN President fearing for his own…..(to anybody’s guest). It’s not like the proverb like spitting on the sky but it like spitting at the mirror.

    JMD : Yes, Samy Vellu had been the President of MIC since 1979 and still is the President of MIC! He has been the top Indian leader even longer than TDM being Prime Minister. What has Samy Vellu done for the Indians?

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  10. Allo Samy… after blaming the rain, the sun and what have you, now you blame Tun kah? That Indian’s MAIKA you want to blame siapa? Act of God?

    Look at the pictures and stories of where you were from lah. I think TDM did more for Indians in Malaysia than what the Indians did for Indians in India itself. If you share your loots with all Indians in Malaysia, I think there will be no poor Indians. No need to even ask RM1Million each from British Government.

    Atleast take off that ugly toupee and say thank you lah.

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  11. I admire your writing JMD and I must say the spirit of Jebat is very much reflected in you. I don’t think speaking up for your own race does not necessary mean you are a racist and I sincerely believe you not. In fact everyone are responsible for their own race and failed community leader like Samy Vellu should aware of that. I thought Tun Mahathir make a very good point that there will be NO Bangsa Malaysia as we’re just too different to be known as one race. I don’t think we should be hypocrate to admit that is true. Nevertheless, I will love to see it happen starting with the abolishment of Sekolah JENIS Kebangsaan which clearly discourage the spirit of Malaysiana among the young Malaysian.

    I hope you will continue with your writing and keep up the good work.

    JMD : What annoys me the most is the fact that only Dr Mahathir seems to defend the rights of the Malay and he is not even an Umno member! If Umno wants to be irrelevant to the Malays then so be it. In fact what they are doing right now is just to defend Pak Lah and his failing leadership. Right now, all I see is, Dr Mahathir is more Malay than Umno is.

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  12. Excellent write up and I enjoy reading the comments too, apart from two individuals, namely Vesewe. Seems like an emotionally disturbed individual.

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  13. Dear JMD,

    Your write up is of sheer quality backed up by stats and in depth research. Your comments/letters in Tun’s blog are gold. Expect more visitors with less comments because you are so right and intelligent in putting forward your observations. But also expect some comments of that quality (you know which one) too.

    p/s: you may want to consider removing that picture….ugly sight indeed.

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  14. Bravo JMD. Once again, a very good article.

    In Utusan Malaysia this morning, I read….” Semua pemimpin komponen berdiri teguh belakang Perdana Menteri”. I am sure most people still remember that during TDM time, this was Sammy’s trademark….” Saya berdiri teguh dibelakang Doc. Yemm….(say it with thick Indian accent) . Pak Lah have cloned Sammy ? Maybe bangsa Malaysia is possible after all because they have so much in common. He must have learned from Pak Lah on how to make TDM the fall guy. I hate the hypocrites.

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  15. Salam untuk JMD. What does Samy Vellu done for the Indian?.
    The best person to answer it is, to my opinion is TDM.As he was the boss for 22 years and Samy Vellu was his Cabinet member.So,TDM should knows exactly how productive and resourceful his minister was.If Samy vellu is not doing his duty,why then he was being appointted as cabinet minister during TDM’s tenure.What is the logic for keeping a rotten apple in the same basket all this while?.I’m confused when boss keep quite and keep promoting a so call non productive worker.

    JMD : TDM had to appoint Samy as a minister time and time again because he is the president of MIC. That was the norm. If the MIC still wants Samy as their leader, then the PM, thru the power sharing concept, has to appoint Samy as a minister no matter what. If he didn’t, then the Indians will get angry. That is why TDM had mentioned last time that some leaders had overstayed his welcome (meant as an insinuation to Samy), as the result, Tun Ling Liong Sik retires but Samy was too stubborn to read between the lines.

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  16. Salam JMD. Is it?. Then by virtue of being a component party leader someone how ever unproductive and incapable will be appointed as a cabinet minister just to please that particular race,just because of the power sharing concept.And the process will go on and on eventhough it brings “nothing”good for that paticular race aswell as the country as a whole.Now I see it.

    JMD : Yes. That is the pro and con of power sharing concept. You will see that any of the party leaders which had won the general election as an MP will become a minister. At least a deputy minister if the party is small. Like M. Kayveas from PPP before. This is to show that even Umno, the largest party with the most number of seats, is willing to accomodate and give several position within the government to other party leaders.

    If the minister is truly ineffective, the PM can still sack him. It is his prerogative. But will sure get some heat from the party members of the sacked minister.

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  17. Evethough I had many Indian friends but i hate this HINDRAF ideology. HINDRAF is a COMMUNIST in Malaysia to me.
    Now , since samy’s defeat in the last GE, he is trying to championed the Indians again, which he himself was the root cause of the defeat. I beleived the rest of the rakyat, not only the Indian must have rejected this racist leader.

    So JMD, continue your good job. We know who all these funny peopless are.
    Tapi sayanglah, tak semua orang faham bahasa inggeris

    So, Samy Vellu!!!

    Sekarang siapa Meneteri????
    Saya menteri ka dia menteri???
    Siapa besar????
    rakyat besar ka samy besar?????

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  18. mahathir is senile and should be left alone to die

    JMD : I would encourage some more smart elaboration to that statement coz I do not want this blog to be just another ‘Malaysia Today’ i.e. filled with unintelligent comments. I’m approving this comment so that you may discuss your pent up anger in a more clever discourse.

    Thank you.

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  19. Dear JMD ~

    I like your data backing argument. Especially in your 2004 data.

    I noticed that 18.9% equity owned by Bumi .. (You may said that you did not produce the data but it comes from RMK9 fact sheet)

    But that could means UMNO had been screwing Malay all these while ? After more than 35 years of NEP until 2004, Malay only attained 18.9%. I think should be much much more (I believed most of GLC like Tenage,Telekom numbers are not included there) , just that government did not want to acknowledge that number. Remember that 1 Dr Lim Teck Ghee that published a 45% Bumi holding and had to resign story (by cpps. – run by Mahathir’s son)

    Actually, I am surprise that up until handover of power to Pak Lah in 2004, Mahathir managed to sell out more than 32% of our country to foreigners + host of suspicious characters listed as “nominee”.

    I will most love it if you can dig more dirt out.

    Woody

    JMD : Dear Woody,

    What you said – “But that could means UMNO had been screwing Malay all these while” is SO true!

    Now lets see how that is true in a simple explanation.

    In the mid 80’s, the govt embarked on a privatisation exercise whereby, in order to speed up the redistribution of income (objective of the NEP), some of the government entities (read: inefficient, slow just like ordinary govt offices) are privatised (read: efficient, fast just like how private sectors are run). This gave rise to the GLCs. The concept was mooted out by TDM since the progress of the core objective of the NEP, which is to increase the equity wealth of the Malays from less than 5% pre-1970 to 30% by 1990 had been very slow. TDM felt that the goal may not be fulfilled by 1990 if we expect the generally ‘lazy’ Malays just to increase it on their own.

    Hence, the govt stepped in to help fasten the increase before the deadline in 1990.

    How could the setting up of the GLCs increase the wealth of the Malays? Through the pro bumiputra policy each of these companies going to practice (tender and procurement process, sub cons etc). Through this, it is hoped that the GLC will help other bumiputra companies like the suppliers, contractors make money and thus, through the spin effect, other Malays will benefit too.

    But, the opposite thing happened. As only natural to those close enough to power, the management people of the GLCs, the ones entrusted by the government to help the Malays, had backstabbed their own race and began to profit themselves and their cronies.

    Soon, even the Malay contractors began to make quick bucks by sub contracting the project they received from the GLCs to the highest bidder. Who are the highest bidders? They would be the Chinese owned contracting companies. Thus, ‘Ali Baba’ companies began to appear everywhere.

    So here lies the conundrum. The intention was pure and genuine. But along the line, people entrusted to run it went corrupt and forgot the main objective (like I stated in my latest article -https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/umno-is-no-more-protecting-the-malays-dignity).

    It saddens me that with all the genuine help from the government to increase the per capita income of all of the Malays via the privatisation project went unsuccessful. Although the intention is to create bigger middle class income Malay, what had emerged was a few richer upper class Malays. Thus, the term Umnoputra was conceptualized. Only a few received the benefits. What’s worse, these cronies were not willing to share their new found wealth. Instead they monopolized all the contracts within their own circles. In the end, the non – Umnoputras class B, C, D and E Malay contractors suffered.

    I remember the issue brought about by Dr Lim Teck Ghee, a researcher from ASLI (I think). He said that the Malay equity was not 18.9% but around 40 plus percent. He included the GLCs into the equation. He and his advocate, Khoo Kay Peng said that since the GLCs are bumiputra owned and the inculcate the pro bumiputra policy, then it is only natural to include it in their calculation. Hence, the 18.9% is wrong, so they argued.

    It received severe intimidation from the government. In the end, ASLI had to retract the report.

    My opinion is, although what the good Dr said was correct, we must look at the bigger picture and several aspects of it. One such aspect is, the importance of substance over form.

    The argument that GLCs are bumiputra because of their pro bumi policy is partly correct because, eventhough it favors bumi participation in procurement and tender activities, the ones that benefit the most are the non bumi companies (through the Ali Baba companies) and the Umnoputras. Therefore it does not entirely reflect the true situation. This is only my opinion. This is different in huge companies belonging to other races such as YTL, Genting, IGB, Multi Purpose etc. When the bumi GLCs benefits the Ali Baba companies and Umnoputras, the non GLC huge companies benefits directly to the Chinese since the Chinese take good care of themselves. The majority Malays continue to be left behind. Thus, the stagnant below 20% rate since the 80’s. All because some have Malays forgotten to be Malays.

    Secondly, the 18.9% also do not really reflect the true situation. This is because, it also take into account the Trust companies’ fund such as MARA, PKNS, and state Yayasan. If these haven’t been included, then the percentage of Malays wealth is much lower than the 18.9%.

    I think the 30% foreigner stake is about the compulsory 30% shareholding of foreign entity within an investment into Malaysia is it? I’m not sure what you’re commenting about. But as it is, I believe the government during TDM’s time would lay importance to technology and knowledge transfers rather than direct and total investment. The 30% criteria is important so that the investment pumped in is real and committed. So that the government can still have some control over them. The government would not want Malaysia to be easily impoverised by the sudden withdrawal of investments (like what had happened in some African countries).

    These countries were left to ruin when these foreigners took out their investments as the local people lost their jobs etc.

    What is important is, foreigners were very much welcomed to invest in Malaysia but several control measures have to be put in place so that Malaysians have to be properly protected from unforseen circumstances.

    Thank you. You just ruined my relaxing weekend with this commentary🙂 kidding.

    Keep on reading!

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  20. Berita gempar!
    Dr. Mahathir diingatkan akan keturunannya!

    Sila baca:

    Malaysiakini
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/84786

    Palanivel: Dr M should remember his roots

    MIC deputy president G Palanivel today slammed former premier Dr Mahathir Mohamad for accusing the party’s long term chief S Samy Vellu of being a racist and warned such statements could fan deeper racial sentiments.

    In a statement released today, Palanivel also said that the former prime minister’s comments on Hindraf were short in accuracy and insensitive to the sentiment of Indians in the country.

    “It is sad to note that Mahathir is not aware of the fact that Hindraf is not only made of Tamil people but includes many non-Tamil and even non-Hindus.

    “He (Mahathir) is wrong when he said Hindraf leaders only represent Tamil racists,” said Palanivel in defence to Samy Vellu who has recently joined in the bandwagon in advocating for the release of five Hindraf leaders detained under the Internal Security Act (ISA).

    G. Palanivel also said Mahathir should look into “his own roots” before manifesting such statements. Mahathir’s forefathers are from South India.

    JMD : Well what can we expect from somebody who had just lost in the recent general elections? Even the Indians voted him and Samy out.

    But all this unsavoury statements coming from desperate people trying to be the hero for their own race has becoming a bit tiring. Where were they when the Indians were clamouring for help in 2007? They were the ones who shunned the Hindraf movement. They were the ones that said Hindraf was racist (which is true – judging from the contents of the memorandum , see http://www.chedet.com/2008/05/racist-card.html)

    To stress a point, G Palanivel lost in the recent general election but still has the audacity to utter these words:

    ‘”People have become more politically aware and Mahathir should know how people read him. He should not make unsubstantiated statements that are reckless and careless in nature,” he said.’

    If in the first place he had thought that people are becoming more aware politically, he would have not lost in the recent elections. Even the Indians didn’t support him due to his collusion with the dictatorial Samy Vellu in kicking out the popular Datuk Subramaniam from the post of deputy presidency of MIC.

    I think people should stop inciting TDM’s race mix as it is highly impolite to play with one’s ancestry. But in order to clear the air, TDM’s mother is 100% Malay. His father, Mohamad Bin Iskandar is the child of an immigrant from Kerala whom had married a local Kedahan. Therefore, by the time TDM was born, he was already considered as a Malayan citizen.

    Even a son of a chinese immigrant whom had married a Muslim woman is considered a Malay. What more TDM?

    What constitute a Malay? According to the constitution, a Malay is defined as a Malaysian citizen born to a Malaysian citizen who professes to be a Muslim, habitually speaks the Malay language, adheres to Malay customs, and is domiciled in Malaysia or Singapore. So G Palanizel remarks is highly racist in nature and inciting some ill feelings towards him.

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  21. Dear JMD

    Bravo. Let the facts speak for themselves. I wish you all the strength to tolerate unsubstantiated comments from unreasonably angry people. They will always be there.

    Meritocracy practised to the extreme, deny the rights of minorities and the less abled. Democracy is often abused through fear tactics and money politics. Beware people who champion these ideologies which are often selectively interpreted for specific groups’ benefits.

    Syabas.

    JMD : And the majorities too if they are economically lagged behind. In Trinidad and Tobago for instance, the minorities are the Indians migrated there in early 20th century. But they control over 70% of the economy. This left the government largely unstable for the past few decades as the political parties (most based on ethninicity) kept on changing hands. No affirmative actions were done. Thus, Trinidad and Tobago had a rather unstable governance all this while.

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  22. Salam JMD. Datuk G.Palanivel is defending his post as Deputy President of MIC,just as his boss in coming MIC AGM. What do you expect of them?For sure they are in the game of “who is the champion of champion”in championning the Malaysian indian grouses.Surely they are “fishing in the muddy water”,and getting some political mileage in the coming MIC AGM. But the reality is,they are eating back whatever they have womitted regarding HINDRAF issue.Villains acting as heroes and heroes acting villains,at the end everybody confused. Do You want to know the real champion of Malaysian Indian causes?
    My sincere answer is the goverment which rules this country from 1957.And I do believe strongly they will do much better for all the races in needs and their right accordingly.

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  23. Dear Sir,

    I have long since held Tun in high regard. To remain on topic,(B4 i soon go off it), Uncle Sam is a culpable to any sane thinking person as to perceived / real injustices or lack of progress in the Indian community. Now back to Tun M
    I always respected him and was amazed at how he has managed to exert control over all the major instutions in Malaysia – The Executive, The Legislature, The Palace and to some extent the Judiciary. Imagine this 1 man only!

    But I was mistaken. He forgot the 5th Estate , the 5th bastion of power in Malaysia which is the KJ factor. And lo and behold, a 31 year old man could actually stand up and defeat the GOM of Malaysia – wow. So after that I did what any sane thinking, Mahatir influenced person would do – support the Stronger Man. To that end, I am now starting a campaign on one of many pro-Kj blogs, http://www.padedoh.wordpress.com, the other one being http://www.prokhairy and another http://www.rembau.net to urge people to support this great man and to do the 3M – Mengampu, Membodek and Merapu!

    Thank You Sir
    Mr. Padedo

    JMD : Thank you for the commentary. I wish you well in your quest to support the ‘stronger man’. But what is strength when you are so unpopular? This so called strength may not last long in the midst of hatred and animosity among the majority of the people. Fear alone will not be enough to make oneself a good leader. You need credibility and integrity and on top of all, the honesty people see in you. This will what makes the people believe in you and become trustworthy. KJ now is not trusted at all among all levels of society. Do you trust him?

    Thank you.

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  24. Obviously I’m late to the party but… “I can see that the status of Indians in this country are far better than the Malays.”

    JMD, come on, we seriously need a further breakdown because according to the Malaysian demographics in Wiki, Malays make up quite a huge percentage of the bumis no doubt but it seems like the bumi label is used as a veil to hide the true status of the progress of the Malays in the country as compared to the other bumis-orang asli, sarawakians, sabahans, etc. I’ve also pointed out similarly at BDDC. Hope you can dig more into this as well.

    Even if one day the bumis have achieved the numbers, it doesn’t mean each and every bumi is fairly represented, the wealth could be in the hands of a connected few, and that’s even scarier.

    And it’s never so much about the percentages, because it doesn’t reflect the true picture of things. What’s the point if those that make up the percentages are people who are already from the middle class, hence, the poor would still be left out. Ie scholarships given to children of rich parents.

    The chinese will always be dominant in those job sectors simply because they live in the town areas – Penang, KL, Ipoh, Kuching, those are all chinese dominant places, and obviously also where those jobs are, you can’t expect them to live in the city and become a farmer. You gravitate towards the jobs that are available in your vicinity. It can’t be helped if the bumis are spread out living across the country. You don’t need a certified public accountant in a long house do you?

    So it’s absolutely misleading, the stats are too simplistic and will never reveal the real story. We need to look at the population ratio in a certain area to the jobs, ie in Ipoh, what is the number of Malays, or bumis if you prefer, live in the town area and how does it correspond to the number of bumi professionals there. I don’t know this for sure because the data is not included above, but I’m sure when it comes to fishermen, farmers and such, the chinese or indians will also be not proportionately represented. Not simply because they don’t want to take up this jobs, but more so because of where the racial population is concentrated in.

    Still, I really do enjoy your well thought out write outs. Keep up the great work.

    JMD : The stats are not simplistic in nature. No stats of this magnitude could be. Stats are there to determine data and analyse its presentation. The methods used by The Statistics Department of Malaysia is similarly being used in other developed and developing countries.

    Like you mentioned, the Malays make up about 64% of the total population. In addition with the indigenous people (jakun, sakai etc) and the pribumi (bidayuh, kadazan, melanau, bajau etc) of Sabah and Sarawak, total bumiputera of Malaysia is about 66%.

    But can I safely assume that the Malays is the majority race of Malaysia? Logic dictates yes. In this premise, together with the table provided in thsi article, we can see a massive disparity of income between the Malays, the Chinese and the Indians. No doubt there are very poor Indians and Chinese in Malaysia. But poor Malays take a huge percentage of it. There are only about 1.9 million Indians in Malaysia with only about 55,000 of them in poverty. For the Chinese with the population of 7 million, the percentage of poverty hit among them is about 0.6% or 42,000 people. The Chinese has far less poverty stricken people among them than the Indians eventhough their population is much higher.

    In contrast, the Malays with the population of 17 million have among them 1.4 million poor people! Now are you telling me that the Malays fared better than other races?

    The rest of your commentary is correct as Umno in the past had always tried to help the hardcore Malays. But until recently, this noble pursuit had been replaced by power hungry and money crazed autocrats whom had forgotten about the original Umno struggle. Please refer to my posting : https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/umno-is-no-more-protecting-the-malays-dignity/

    Thanks!

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  25. JMD,

    Thanks for the explanation, I do agree with all that you’ve said.

    However, I do believe that geography plays an important part in the scheme of things. I’d like to think, based not on hard data of course, that the accessibility to education and job markets is the underlying factor for the figures. Singapore as a small island means everyone has access to almost similar standards of education, no matter how ‘ulu’ the place is as compared to the jungles of Sarawak where a long house community will not receive the equal of that in Kelana Jaya.

    But we also need to realize that this is the way things are in this consumerist/capitalist society. People living in kampungs/jungles, may not have a high figure income, but they are able to plant/hunt/gather their food from nature. I sincerely believe that’s part of the equation that’s left out. Also, in small towns, Yan, Kedah, or anywhere else in the country I’m sure there are not so many high paying jobs per square km as compared to a MNC factory lot in Kulim. So the Malays, being the majority population and is clearly spread out across the country in big towns, small towns, depths of the jungle, etc. can’t be expected to have a high income simply because of what they do and where they live.

    With more emigration to the cities, we may see a change in that. A solution is to have equal education opportunities (MRSM, Sek Asrama, UITM is doing a decent job at that) and for them to change their lifestyles and partake in the modern economy, joining the rat race, selling-buying things (like the current boom in china), etc.

    One flaw I can see in many arguments (not here) is the comparison with Singapore, which should not be the case because of the expanse of the country. Perhaps if we compare KL alone or maybe even Penang, it’s probable, but not the entire country for sure.

    Some people may want to live in concrete jungles but others may still want to live in natural ones, and we need to balance that as we move forward, really contemplating on whether the Western model of ‘success’ and ‘advancement’ is really right for us, like what TunM espouses.

    Cheers.

    JMD : I agree with your geographical analysis. You are pointing out that since the Malays live in remote areas, it is therefore logical that they are inherently poor just because there is no high economic activity to alleviate their financial status. Agreed.

    That is why the govt has to step in and resolve this issue. One such method is to provide direct cash provision for the hardcore poor (via Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat, Yayasan Negeri etc). The objective is to make their lives comfortable. And the bulk of the recipients are Malays (since there are high numbers of poor Malays) But prolonged inducement of cash may deter any real progress for them economically. We must not give them a fish, but teach them how to fish, so to speak. Thus, the creation of entrepreneur loans, low cost housing schemes, agricultural subsidies etc.)

    The objective is good. It is even noble. To help the poor Malays is actually can relatively prosper the position of other races as well. There is an old adage – prosper thy neighbour. Nobody with a sane mind would want a poor neighbour. A poor neighbour will bring you lots of trouble. They will ask help from you all the time or may harbour ill will towards you etc.

    It was not the government stand to isolate the non Malays. The govt would help the Malays but at the same time will not suppress the non Malays. The Chinese do not need much help from the government regarding their hardcore poor since not many of them are really poor (only around 40k in the whole country) but when these hardcore poor Chinese do need help, I do not think the government will turn a blind eye to them.

    Please refer to http://www.bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/Friday/Nasional/20080626235102/Article/index_html for the statistics.

    Thank you.

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  26. Dear JMD,

    I like your articles and your bluntness in presenting them. However i believe that we should not gravitate towards races in general. There are hardcore poor of all races; Malay, Chinese and Indian alike. Under our skin, we all bleed red alike so why we negative to each other.

    I admire Tun Mahathir for his vision for a developed Malaysia but i disagree with his method of NEP and GLCs. While it does enrich Bumiputra but only a handful of the elite has benefit. Plenty of hardcore poor remain. If low income bumiputras has it tough, it must be even tougher on those low income non-bumiputras.

    Plus it drives a wedge between bumiputra and other races. It is initially hard to accept the fact that although i am a 3rd generation born in Malaysia, i have to work extra hard all areas to compensate for the NEP policy.

    For me, I have accepted the fate of NEP as the Never Ending Policy despite it suposed end in 1990. I believe it is a necessary evil to ensure prevent a repeat of May 13th.

    JMD : I sympathise with your plight. However, I do not believe in running NEP in perpetuality. It needs to be stopped when there is more equal distribution of wealth among all races. Also, the race which was lagging behind the most should shed their ‘subsidy’ mentality and compete on a more equal ground. TDM mentioned that his greatest regret after stepping down was not to be able to change the mindset of the Malays. Which is indeed a tough thing to do.

    Just to digress a bit, the Malays had been, for nearly 500 years been under the colonial rulers. What are the characteristic of the people under colonial masters? There are all almost the same in any countries subjected under control of foreign powers. When the ever resourceful immigrants came, the local people could not compete with the influx and the sheer productiveness of the immigrants. This is because the local people, in this case, the Malays were getting lazier due to being spoon fed, protected and subsidised by their colonial masters for the past hundreds of years. Their ability to strive for greater achievements were curtailed by their masters. In the end, they became more and more contented by their stunted life. Since then, this destructive mentality had been fully embedded in the minds of the conquered. This is the same in any other countries, be it Trinidad and Tobago, South Africa, etc.

    The only difference, in Malaysia was the setting up of NEP which enabled a more equal distribution of wealth. As I said before, the intention was good. But the enforcement was seriously lacking. As the result, only a few Malays were getting super rich whereas the original objective was only to enlarge the middle class Malays. Thus gave rise to cronyism and ‘Umnoputras’.

    This I deem as ‘Melayu Lupa Tolong Melayu’. They had forgotten about their own brethren and only concern about enriching themselves. TDM told again and again that the Malays which had fared better need to help other Malays but they had failed to do that. This is the reason for the so called ‘wedge’ between the races. I do not think the Chinese or the Indians would feel anyanimosity towards the 1.4 million Malays who falls under the poverty line. But they do feel slighted seeing the super rich Malays who were getting richer and richer only due to having connections with the powers that be.

    I see that the NEP is somewhat unfair to other races (although the current statistics show us that the Malays are still lagging behind eventhough the NEP-ish policy is still in place), and we do see the need to get rid of it IF we are concern about having ‘world class’ Malays which can compete in the globalized world. Now how can the Malays overcome this bad habit?

    Since there is nothing can be done with the present generation (resistant to change etc), we need to change the mindset of the Malays born today. Proper & relevant education, balanced support from government, fair rewards for success and punishment for failures should be installed. Then, in 20 years time, they are ready to compete in an equal playground. This is my honest opinion.

    Thanks.

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  27. Are this ass hole say’s other races should not progress and need to wait for others, is this the reason why the discrimination towards minorities are not given chances even if they are solid good and intelligent? No bastards in this world will do this except and insane person as ……dont the country need best brains to move forward with this globalised world. NEP only has made jaguh kampongs…, could not even be par with our nebour’s. You had made the Malay races worst then Zimba with your own agenda and greeds.

    JMD : Mind your language bgees. Anyway your burst of anger comes from your misperception of the NEP. It did not say that other race should not progress. Are you too dyslexic to read the framework? If other races have to wait, then it would really be simpler for the govt to do it; JUST IMPOSE HIGHER TAX TO THE CHINESE, AND GIVE IT TO THE POOR MALAYS AND INDIANS.

    But was that what the govt did? Of course not, the chinese were given the space to prosper, as it statistics had shown. Their average per capita is way higher than anyone else’s. More chinese became professionals than any other races. Did the govt disallow them from pursuing their desired jobs? Of course not. So your notion that the ‘assholes’ wanted the chinese to be stagnant while the bumis to catch up is very wrong. What gave you that idea in the first place? Ignorance?

    By the way, basically, I see that you couldn’t see the bigger picture when the govt decided to implement the NEP in 1970. Maybe you were too small to realize back then. But the NEP was implemented with the unanimous decision by all the political parties in the Alliance back then. The spirit of the NEP is good. Only lately the Umnoputras had abused it to enriching their own kind. Read the previous comments.

    Thank you.

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  29. PART ONE

    Dear JMD,

    I’m cross-referencing an excerpt from your post ‘Matters of the (Malaysian) heart’ as it has some relevance to the bigger picture here.

    You wrote: “I have yet to see the Chinese took up other GREATER issues such as poverty, unemployment, expensive medical services/treatments and unfair income distribution.”

    Since both you and your commentators mention Dr Lim Teck Ghee in this post, may I just take the liberty of pointing out where Dr Lim says: “I’d like to return to researching issues of Malay poverty and under-development, an area which I worked on in the 70s and 80s in Malaysia, which I’ve left aside for some years now.”
    http://educationmalaysia.blogspot.com/2006/10/prof-lim-teck-ghee-leaving-malaysia.html

    You may recall that when I made my first appearance in your blog, I deplored the cynicism that has subverted idealism, particularly –- but this is only my personal assumption –- in the Chinese.

    Commentators in this post have talked about the cleavage between the races. I think the NEP, Malay Agenda and Malay Supremacy doctrine have contributed a lot to this cynicism in the minorities, and we have paid the price against our social cohesion (or lack of).

    You would like to see Chinese taking up the issues of poverty? Such cross-racial empathy will not come if Malaysians continue to subscribe to sentiments like that expressed by ‘Ismail N’ at 22:48:57-Hours on June 18 (above), where he says: “everyone are responsible for their own race.”

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  30. PART TWO

    One of the most heartfelt pieces of Malaysian writing I’ve ever read was Nat Tan on Hindraf, ‘Why I will walk this Sunday’.
    http://jelas.info/2007/11/24/why-i-will-walk-this-sunday/

    Nat asked, “How many of us have any idea what it’s like to be a poor Indian in Malaysia?”

    Nat further asked: “Are the Indians all a bunch of victimised saints? Not any more than the Chinese, Malays or any other group are. But they have it worst around here. There’s little doubt in my mind around that.”

    He spoke from the heart when he said, “I do believe that they [Indians] have been screwed over like few others have ever been screwed over.”

    For me Nov 2007’s winter of discontent was a tug-of-war between heart and head. Nat articulated my own appraisal as well as reservations when he wrote: “I don’t believe in sacrificing a more embracing conceptualisation [“Malaysian rights”] for an increasingly narrow one (‘Hindu Rights’), but I do believe that some –- if not all –- of the grouses are perfectly well founded.”

    My head however is more inclined to the position taken by Dr Jeyakumar Devaraj of Parti Sosialis Malaysia, which is the long view and also the more inclusive. He advocates for “Work[ing] towards a working class coalition that fights for a better deal for all ordinary Malaysians irrespective of race”. His seminal treatise can be read at,
    http://malikimtiaz.blogspot.com/2007/11/considering-hindraf-campaign.html

    JMD, you might care to extrapolate the issues raised by Hindraf from your sympathy for Malay poverty. Your race makes up the majority population and by extension, the majority poor.

    I have been to the Kelantan hinterland and seen poverty up close. A willingness to empathize will also allow us to see the Indian poor, the Orang Asli poor and other poor without calibrating racialism [I do not say ‘racism’] into a scale. Yes, even the Chinese poor –- who are just as hard-pressed — though in percentile the Chinese proportions are not as severe. [Side note: Non-Malay natives who are much poorer cause the bumiputera poverty segment to be weighted].

    JMD, you highlight in fluorescent yellow the professions –– medicine, law, veterinary science –– where Indians comprise roughly an impressive quarter. I can similarly highlight in luminescent green that Malays overwhelmingly predominate as GLC CEOs and managers, top-tier civil service, in public academia (all the IPTA vice-chancellors are Malay) and in the diplomatic corps.

    But that would only be telescoping and the whole is larger than the sum of its parts. The Indian professional successes skewed the 9th Malaysia Plan stats to give a mean household income of RM3,456. If Indians averagely earned RM3,500 a month, Hindraf would not have had traction.

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  31. PART THREE

    Hindraf chairman P. Waythamoorthy writes today in a Letter to the Editor, “at least 85 percent of the Indians do not earn RM3,799 per month. This RM3,799 per month figure certainly does not reflect the ground reality and appears to be merely speculative.”

    He also claims: “Incidentally, the Indian suicide rate is 800 percent higher than that of the Malays because of poverty and poverty-related issues.”

    Moorthy himself may be speculating but we cannot argue when he says, “Unlike the Malays, Orang Asli, the natives of Sabah and Sarawak who have their inherited villages and even the Chinese who have their New Villages to fall back on, Murali and hundreds of thousands of other Indians have no where else to go to. Almost all the Indians do not have a village to fall back on or as a safety net.”
    http://www1.malaysiakini.com/letters/87491

    His brother Uthayakumar says: “Indians predominate as labourers, industrial manual workers, office boys, road sweepers, beggars and squatters.” We can see with our own eyes that what Kumar says is true.

    Truth has many facets. It’s true that Indians predominate as doctors, specialists and lawyers. It’s true too they are urban squatters after the plantation sectors downscaled.

    What will move us forward is our commonalities — yours, Dr Lim’s, Dr Kumar’s and mine too — so, our, concern for the poor and it has to be a shared Malaysian concern simply because we are decent human beings.

    JMD, your assessment is probably accurate when you “humbly submitted that most Malays are not ready to face NEP-less Malaysia for not another 20 years” … and maybe more. But while the realisation is hopefully somewhere along in the future, the moral vision has to be expressed now, in the present, to think out of the race box like Dr Kumar has done.

    I dislike the stereotype that Malays are lazy, just as I believe the Chinese are resourceful not because it is hardwired into their genes but due to their social environment, which is in turn conditioned by the NEP.

    When you think about it, bumiputraism is the deliberate exclusion of specifically Chinese and non-Muslim Indians.

    All the natives of the peninsula and Borneo are bumi, descendants of the Portuguese qualify for bumi privileges, ditto the Thais in the northern states. Muslims of various non-Malay lineages are bumi, new Indonesians are bumi … only Chinese and Indian Hindu-Christians are not. Hence the alienation felt by the marginalized clamoring for meritocracy and egalitarian human rights.

    We have a chicken-and-egg situation, and somebody’s gotta give first. Are we going to insist that at the count of three, both sides synchronously take a step forward in the spirit of sacrifice? I doubt it will happen.

    But even if our political scenario forces us to bend to what Gramsci calls ‘pessimism of the intellect’, at least let’s take heart from his ‘optimism of will’. Though a mere flicker, the flame still burns and idealism has to be the light at the end of the tunnel. I, for one, do not wish to lose my hope and faith in human decency.

    God bless, JMD.

    JMD : Aniseed, I totally agree with your comments. But I see it from a slightly different point of view. P Waytha Moorthy in the Malaysiakini article you provided stated this:

    ‘Umno, PKR, DAP and PAS will not campaign for the very serious Indian poverty issues…What alternative does Murali have besides selling his kidney?’

    He stated every kind of institutions that supposedly helping the poor but he failed to mention the most relevant one – MIC. Where is MIC?

    I do not want to venture a guess on why he deliberately left out the most powerful political party representating the Indians of Malaysia. However, it is in line with this article :

    http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal/general_news/mahathir_samy_vellu_stifled_indian_voices.html

    It all boils down with the leadership. Which in turn in line with my recent article. The MIC leadership is not without any scandals. The MAIKA scandal comes to mind. When political leaders are greedy, they lost touch with the original struggle.

    When he said that 85% of indians here do not earn RM3799 a month (a higher average than the Malays household income), in simpler term, it just mean that the richest of the indians are more richer than the richest of the malays. But what do these rich indians do to alleviate their fellow kins?

    Just like how I criticised the super rich Malays (10% out of all Malays), the 15% super rich indians must not be left scots free.

    The MIC should stop all the politicking and concentrate in overcoming the problems plaguing their community. I admit that some overzealous faction in Umno should not belittle other communities in their AGM etc (http://jelas.info/2007/11/09/khairy-noraini-the-only-way-up-is-through-hate/). That was one of the root cause of Umno’s downfall. We do not need this kind of people who is so insensitive towards other people. And this should work bothways.

    Moderation and tact is always the key in a multi racial country. On that note, I do not agree with the Hindraf movement. Their intention might be good, but their delivery is smacked with brutish behaviour and unfair accusations. For instance in :

    http://test.chedet.com/che_det/2008/05/the-racist-card.html

    They claimed that there is an ethnic cleansing in Malaysia. Which I feel is a lie. How many indians being killed by the Malays here in Malaysia? When Misi Nasional was implemented to replace the NEP in 1990, the focus is more towards eradicating the hardcore poor in all races. Again, where are the leaders entrusted to take care of their rural folks? When funds used to eradicate the poor in their constituency were being used to finance their own political machinery and ambition, should we blame the system in placed? No, we blame all those Umno, MIC, MCA, PAS, DAP, PBS, PBDS etc. leaders. It is really hard to find a sincere politician in Malaysia.

    Please read here for more insights;

    http://test.chedet.com/che_det/2008/06/multiracial-malaysia.html

    Thank you.

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  32. Dear JMD,

    I did not insert the smiley emoticons in Part Two (they were accidental deriving from the brackets) but here’s a LOL for the embarassment of a doing 3-parter, just like the earlier mishap akin to Janet Jackson’s ‘wardrobe malfunction’.

    I’d better go hide now … segan lah.

    JMD : No worries. I corrected them already.

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  33. Dear JMD,

    (1) You spotted that Waythamoorthy tellingly omitted mention of MIC.
    This is where we have to divest ourselves of past practices — that MIC supposedly looks after Indian interests and MCA, Chinese interests. For the great disservice MIC and MCA have done the communities they purportedly represent, both these parties risk becoming obsolete.

    It is misguided of Dr M to claim “Unfortunately the Indian leaders did not address the problem of Indian poverty” (from the link that you provided for my reading).

    As (ex) prime minister to all Malaysians — unless Dr M was only PM to the Malays — and as NEP itself lists as its twin objective, then Tun should be able to see the fallacy inherent in his statement.

    Indian poverty is a Malaysian problem and should by rights have been addressed by the national leadership, not solely by Samy Vellu or MIC.

    (2) You say you do not agree with the Hindraf movement: “Their intention might be good, but their delivery is smacked with brutish behaviour and unfair accusations”.
    I also do not agree with their approach and outlook.

    That’s why I brought up Dr Kumar’s treatise (I meant Sg Siput MP Dr Michael Jeyakumar, not Hindraf’s Uthayakumar) which seeks a class-based solution to Indian poverty, not race- or religion-based remedy and redress.

    (3) You say they claimed that there is an ethnic cleansing in Malaysia which you feel is a lie.
    I agree with you that the use of ‘ethnic cleansing’ has no basis.

    What’s interesting in relation to this canard is that Dr M claims, “We cannot change ethnicity” (from the link that you provided for my reading).

    Going by the definition of ‘Malay’ in the constitution, i.e. one who speaks Malay, is Muslim, practices Malay culture & customs (plus the birth and residency provisos), then an Indian convert fulfilling the above conditions can in effect — Malaysia-Boleh style — change his ethnicity to Malay; or at least with the National Registration Department and other govt agencies doling out bumi perks.

    Which I suspect was Hindraf’s grouse on ‘ethnic rinsing’, i.e. Indians are enticed to convert, their temples demolished and Tamil neglected, among other acts that have diluted their sense of ethnic identity.

    I will make an additional note on language in a comment to follow. Thank you.

    JMD : Aniseed, true to your word that a prime minister has to be a leader of all races. But he is administering and managing the whole nation. That is wehre he needs help from his fellow cabinet ministers and community leaders in the BN to highlight to him any problems.

    A CEO of a vast multinational company may not know what is the problem of a department unless the division head reports to him on the problems in management meetings.

    Just like what TDM said regarding Samy’s outbursts some time ago; Samy himself did not highlight the problems of the Indians in the cabinet meetings. Lim Kit Siang brought up this matter in his blog back in 2007 – http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/05/07/samy-vellu-why-marginalisation-of-indians-worsened-nine-years-after-anwar-sacked-from-umno/

    The NEP is there to help all the poor people. It is hard for me to believe that in a cabinet meetings, if Samy had said, there are hardcore poor Indian people in Sg Siput and they need help, TDM would just said no, we should not help them.

    Again, it is the community leader’s first responsibility to help their people. The govt never ever wanted to deliberately marginalise anyone. Help is always there, from myriad of avenues. The leaders should know how to help them. In Islam, it is often said that God will not change the fate of people unless the people wanted to change it first.

    I do not think that Indians need to convert to Islam just to change their fortune here in Malaysia. If not, then Anandakrishnan and Datuk Ambiga would have been a Muslim now🙂

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  34. Dear JMD,

    On how a common language factors in the modalities of a pluralistic society — if we spoke one tongue, then better the chances of us becoming one people.

    Like how the Thais of Malay, Chinese and Indian descent speak fluent Thai, whereas those here to whom Malay is not their mother tongue, do not speak it well.

    The situation we have is that Chinese are overwhelmingly enrolled in the vernacular school system, which Dr M as Education Minister and later as PM, did not phase out.

    Then we have private colleges (which mushroomed during his tenure) serving the minorities, where English is the medium of instruction and Chinese is spoken by the students among themselves and with their lecturers. We have Dr M (with Hishamuddin) bulldozing the teaching of Math and Science in English.

    So when Tun complains in the Che Det blog post titled ‘The Racist Card’ (your recommended reading), he will have to first examine his own role.

    On the stats in your discussion with Ms Sleepyhead above, the figures I got are, Bumiputera = about 53% Malay and around 12% other indigenes (estimate). The base year is the Population and Housing Census 2000 — next census in 2010 — which found Bumiputera comprised 65.1%, Chinese 26.0% and Indians 7.7% of M’sians.

    That a significant number of the indigenous people are not Malay can be seen from this breakdown: Iban were 30.1% in Sarawak, and Kadazan-Dusun (18.4%) & Bajau (17.3%) in Sabah, according to the 2000 stats.

    Your blog has been an eye-opener for me, JMD, with your array of material on Mahathir. I found the article on the Dr M’s handling of the 1997 Asian financial crisis informative. It’s easier to be more objective evaluating Dr M’s legacy in the areas where we have facts and figures, and more emotive when looking at the nation-building processes.

    One stumbling block though is the transparency and integrity of data. Official data released has been disputed on their methodology while other data have been withheld. These are the limitations we have to bear in mind.

    Thank you.

    P.S. I’m uneasy with your ‘Matters of the heart’ posting. See if you can get the parallel I’ve tried to draw with Hindraf, and why I think we should look at things from a Malaysian, not communal, perspective.

    JMD : Incidentally, TDM had a new blog article – http://test.chedet.com/che_det/2008/08/mengajar-sains-dan-matematik-d.html for your reading pleasure🙂

    As for the vernacular schools, well they have been around since Tunku Abdul Rahman days. I do not think it would be prudent for any education minister to phase out the vernacular shcools would it? I mean, just the thought of pursuing the Vision Schools (Sekolah Wawasan) to integrate the students from all races were faced with a lot of pressure from groups such as Dong Jiao Zong and Suqiu.

    Vision schools (a compromise really) is good for the nation. I know that some of the factors which made the national schools unappealing for other races was the overzealousness of the Malay teachers in propagating Islam in those schools. Sometimes, they are so caught up in imposing Islamic rules that they upset the non Malay parents.

    Hence, those parents would send their children to vernacular schools intead. Thus creating a problem of non integration between the young.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, I heard that a chinese who went to chinese schools would look down on their fellow chinese who went to national schools, saying that these people are not ‘chinese’ enough. Is that right?

    Anyway, like I said once before, if our forefathers were leaders like Sukarno and Suharto, all the non Malays have Malay names these days. But we chose not to assimilate but be integrated via the Constitution. Who were the ones chose not to assimilate back then?

    But since we respect the demands of each community to establish vernacular schools, we have to pursue that path without regrets.

    As for my latest posting, I have another article for you to read. It’s from the ex state assemblyman of Pahang – http://sakmongkol.blogspot.com/2008/08/way-forward-for-malays.html

    That article compliments greatly with my latest posting. I am sorry if my posting offended you somehow. It was not meant to offend anyone. I was critical of Malaysians be it Malays or the non Malays.

    As for the data gathered by the Statistics Dept, I think we have sufficient assurance that the data gathered and compiled have enough integrity in it. Since the body was accredited internationally.

    Thank you and goodnight. I have a big thing going on tomorrow. Will be back in two days. But comments will be monitored via my mobile nevertheless although with really, really short replies🙂

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