Pak Lah / Socio-economy

Dictator Dollah’s too stupid to learn any lesson

Can you imagine the horrified looks of the ordinary Malaysians when they heard about the hike in fuel prices?

Dictator Dollah has done it again. I am disgusted at the level of stupidity this man and his advisers have. This great gift by the BN government should be cherished forever. Truly, Datuk Seri Abdullah Bin Haji Ahmad Badawi is the worst Prime Minister of Malaysia even for the next 100 years!

Anyway, I can already see the headlines tomorrow:

  • Our petrol is still the cheapest in the region
  • Ubah gaya hidup
  • Government working hard to improve the livelihood of Malaysians

And to receive only RM625 per year as rebate? That amount is too small as compared to the spin off effect from this price increase. How much a rebate of that amount can achieve to alleviate the livelihood of Malaysians if everywhere else, other things will become more pricey?

Shahrir Samad had failed in his job. Dictator Dollah failed again. The BN government had failed. Just look at their 2008 manifesto and you’d immediately know that this HUGE increase in petrol price is not in the manifesto and Dictator Dollah had broken his promise.

Promise on economy

  1. Raise the nation’s productivity, income and competitiveness levels
  2. Cushion the effects of rising prices and ensure quality living standards for the people
  3. Strengthen private sector’s role as the main driver of economic growth
  4. Nurture and assist 1 million SMEs and entrepreneurs over 5 years
  5. Generate at least 2 million quality job opportunities over 5 years
  6. Reduce the Budget deficit further – more funds for development, without increasing taxes
  7. Follow through on 5 Development Corridors to bring equitable growth, investment and job opportunities to all parts of Malaysia

Dictator Dollah sure had not studied the consequences of his actions. Shame on him. He is indeed the greatest SABOTEUR of the nation. And to rile me up further, the rebate was just about the only mechanism he had for us to lessen the impact. Any 5th grader could have come up with that stupid solution! When you do not have enough money to pay subsidies for the benefit of the people, you should never burden them further to the detriment of your ever waning popularity. What you should have done my dear Dictator was, increase the income of the nation when you first took over in 2003. A bright person should have at least grasp the simple concept of inflation and had the good sense of preparing the nation towards the increase in cost of living.

But you did exactly the opposite, shouting rhetorics, practising wastage, cronyism and nepotism. No wonder the nation’s treasury suffered. Hence, our buffer needed to pay the subsidies diminished even further. Your stupidity in dealing with important issues and inability to solve the nation’s woes is the main difference between you and your predecessor.

We chose you to be better than this! Down with the Dictator! Down with his idiotic shenanigans! Prancing around the country as if he’s a God’s gift to Malaysians. And this is all he can come up with? Bah!

BN politicians might as well pack their bags now. No need to wait for PRU13 coz you all will surely lose! I would love to hear all those proponents and supporters of zero subsidies defend their stand right now. But those are all rich people who did not understand how difficult life could be without any subsidies given from a government of a net oil exporter anyway!

28 thoughts on “Dictator Dollah’s too stupid to learn any lesson

  1. Can’t help but compare how Dr M dealt with crisis. Am sure you’ve read the Second Finance Minister’s first-hand account [at the Ministry of Finance website] on how Dr M took the 97-98 financial crisis by the horns. If not, let me reproduce it here:

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    THE FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 1997 – 1998
    By Nor Mohamed Yakcop

    A moment comes, which rarely comes in a lifetime, when a particular event redefines a person’s life and changes the course permanently. For me, the meeting with Dr. Mahathir Mohamad in Buenos Aires (Argentina) on the evening of October 3, 1997 was such an event. It enabled me to devote the next 6 years of my life working for Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, meeting him almost daily. In the process, it enabled me to see, at very close range, the abilities of this great man.

    The combination of many noble qualities in one person is rare, and it is this unique combination that has enabled Dr. Mahathir Mohamad to transform Malaysia from an otherwise typical third world country into a thriving and vibrant nation, well on the way to become a developed nation. It is also this combination of qualities that enabled Dr. Mahathir Mohamad to save Malaysia from becoming another IMF nation during the financial crisis of 1997 – 1998.

    I am often asked about my involvement in the recovery plan implemented on September 1, 1998. It began on September 29, 1997, when I received a telephone call from the office of Dr Mahathir Mohamad informing me that the Prime Minister wanted to see me. The PM was in Cuba at that time, and I asked (in jest) if I was to meet the Prime Minister in Cuba !
    I was told (not in jest) that he will be arriving in Buenos Aires on October 3, 1997 and I was to make sure I was in Buenos Aires at least a day before he arrived. I packed my bags and left for Buenos Aires, and arrived in Buenos Aires on October 2.

    The PM arrived the following day at 5 pm and we met immediately at his suite. He informed me that he had asked many people to explain to him what was causing the financial crisis but no one was able to give him a satisfactory reply. He asked me whether I could explain to him what exactly was happening.

    I asked him how much time he had, and he said two hours. I explained to him how the forex market works, about short positions and long positions, about hedging and how currencies are borrowed and sold, the difference between “bid” and “offer” and how funds can be transferred from one country to another at the click of a button. I also explained how the equity market works and the relationship between the forex market and the equity market. Dr. Mahathir hardly said anything, asked one or two questions, and listened intently.

    After two hours, he had to end the meeting to get ready to go for an official dinner. He asked me about my plans for the night and I said I had been invited for the same dinner. Dr. Mahathir said to me: You go back to your room and write down all that you have been telling me for the last two hours, and see me at 7 am tomorrow. I went back to my room, skipped dinner, and wrote it all down, finishing at about 6 am.

    I saw him the next morning at 7 am and gave him the report. He asked me to take a rest and come back again at 2 pm. When I returned, he told me that he had read the report and that he now understands what was happening in the financial markets. We started discussing various methods of overcoming the crisis, and our discussions continued when we returned to Malaysia. I met him almost daily for discussion, sometimes at his house and sometimes at his office. We tried a few mechanisms to overcome the crisis, some of which worked initially, but the hedge funds were so strong that it was difficult to proceed successfully with these mechanisms.

    In early 1998, Dr. Mahathir Mohamad asked me to explore the idea of imposing an exchange control regime to overcome the crisis. I remember preparing voluminous notes on this subject. Dr. Mahathir went through the notes carefully, and kept asking for more and more details. We went through many rounds of discussion, until he was finally convinced both with the concept as well as the proposed mechanism. The rest, I guess, is history.

    Dr. Mahathir also asked me to prepare a paper on how to put an end to Malaysian shares traded in CLOB (Central Limit Order Book) in Singapore. Dr. Mahathir was of the view that an important reason for the falling stock market was the short-selling of Malaysian stocks in CLOB. I prepared the report and Dr. Mahathir understood, for the first time, how exactly CLOB operates. The report, which was also implemented on September 1, 1998, put to an end the trading of Malaysian shares in CLOB.

    I should add that the exchange control measures were crafted in such a way as to minimize the control aspects and maximize the outcome. The Prime Minister went through the proposed mechanism many times to make sure that the control elements were as few as possible, but adequate enough to ensure a positive outcome. There were no bureaucratic elements in these measures, such as requiring importers to obtain Bank Negara’s permission to import. The Ringgit was also pegged at a level where it was not overvalued. In almost every other country, which imposes exchange control measures and pegs its currency, there would, almost by definition, be numerous bureaucratic controls, and the currency would also be pegged at an overvalued rate.

    It is often assumed that the system of exchange control (including fixed exchange rate) that we implemented on September 1, 1998 saved the country. The measures of September 1, 1998 were undoubtedly a necessary condition, but it was not a sufficient condition to overcome the crisis. Malaysia was saved, not by exchange control measures per se, but by Dr. Mahathir Mohamad.

    Let me explain. Any other developing country, facing a similar crisis, if it had introduced the measures that we introduced in September 1998, the measures would probably have failed. The fact that in Malaysia these measures succeeded is due to the ability and character of Dr. Mahathir Mohamad. The economy and the financial system, under Dr. Mahathir’s leadership, was in a very healthy state–healthy enough for the exchange control measures to be implemented without negative consequences. Moreover, the Prime Minister’s hands-on management style enabled quick and timely decisions to be made, which was vital under the new exchange control regime.

    Dr. Mahathir, as Prime Minister, had ensured that the Malaysian economy was fundamentally strong. Ringgit was strong and stable. On the back of the currency stability (at RM2.50 against the US dollar) Malaysia was doing very well. At the end of 1996, real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) grew at almost 8.5 per cent and the growth was expected to continue for many more years. The government was enjoying a fiscal surplus. The external debt was low, at 40 per cent of the Gross National Product (GNP). The current account of the balance of payments had narrowed from a deficit of 10 per cent to 5 per cent of GNP, and was expected to improve further. Inflation was at its lowest at 2.1 percent. We had steady growth of over 8 per cent for a major part of that period. And this fundamental strength of Malaysia was a critical factor that enabled the exchange control measures to succeed.

    For a period of more than a year after the measures of September 1, 1998 were implemented, the Prime Minister met with a small group of us everyday – 6 days a week – for at least 2 hours to go through various economic data, including data on loan growth, exports, imports, property overhang etc. This enabled the Prime Minister to take quick actions, whenever required. I remember one morning when we were going through the property figures, he looked at me and directed that I should organize a property fair to clear the overhang of properties. I did, and property worth more than RM 3 billion was sold. Even after the crisis was over, Dr. Mahathir continued to meet with the group regularly, though no longer on a daily basis. And Dr. Mahathir continued to go through all the economic data with a sharp pencil.

    No other Prime Minister in the world, either in developed or developing countries, employs such a hands-on approach in managing the economy. We can see, therefore, that it was not the exchange control measures per se that saved the country but the man — Dr. Mahathir Mohamad — himself.

    The period 1997 – 1998 was, to paraphrase Charles Dickens, the worst of times, but it was also the best of times. The worst conditions brought out the best in Dr. Mahathir Mohamad. There is a saying that a good leader is like good tea – you only know the true quality when he is in hot water !

    Throughout the crisis, the Prime Minister was focussed on resolving the crisis. Day and night, he thought of nothing else but the crisis. He read all he could on finance; he kept asking me to prepare notes on various technical issues. Sometimes he was sick with bad flu and cough, but he did not take time off to rest. He was convinced that he had to understand the issues before he could work out the solutions. His native intelligence and ability to focus on core issues were there throughout the crisis. He did not show any sign of fear even at the worst of time, only concern at the fast deteriorating state of the economy. He was, at all times, confident that he would prevail in the end.

    I would like to add two additional points related to the financial crisis. The first is that, in implementing the measures of September 1, 1998, Dr. Mahathir not only saved Malaysia but the neighbouring countries as well. Let me explain. When Malaysia imposed its exchange control measures on September 1, 1998, the currency speculators realised that the other affected countries (Thailand, Indonesia and South Korea) could also impose similar controls, and they, therefore, stopped their activities in its track. The speculators backed off. They bought back the currencies that they had sold. This is resulted in the regional currencies appreciating. Moreover, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) was not happy with what Malaysia had done, particularly since, after implementing the measures, we did exactly the opposite of what the IMF wanted us to do, i.e. we lowered our interest rates and injected liquidity into the system. The IMF, therefore, started relaxing conditions in other countries and allowed them to lower their interest rates and allowed them to inject liquidity to stimulate their economies so that Malaysia would not outperform the IMF countries. Therefore, it is no exaggeration to say that Dr. Mahathir Mohamad not only saved Malaysia, but the other affected countries in the region as well – Thailand, Indonesia and South Korea.

    My second point is regarding what would have happened if the exchange control measures were not implemented. If the measures were not implemented, many of corporations in Malaysia would have gone under, due to the high interest rates. When the corporations fall like dominos, banks would have faced severe liquidity and solvency problems due to the ballooning NPLs. The problems of the banks would have resulted in a credit squeeze, which would have led to another round of corporate failures. The Government’s revenue would have fallen drastically as fewer firms would be paying corporate taxes, thereby reducing the Government’s ability to stimulate the economy through fiscal policy measures. As a result of the problems faced by corporations and banks, unemployment would have increased substantially, leading to a second round of problems. This is the classic vicious cycle, which could have, in the end, destroyed the social and political stability of the country. This was a scenario that was waiting to happen. It did not happen because of the decisiveness and guts of Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, who decided to take the path less travelled.

    We owe Dr. Mahathir much gratitude for what he has done for Malaysia over the last 22 years. Solving the financial crisis of 1997 – 1998 was just one, albeit perhaps the most important, of Dr. Mahathir Mohamad’s many contributions to the nation.

    On a personal note, over the last 6 years, I have come to admire this great man for his abilities, his high moral values and, most of all, for his sincerity. Certainly, a man like Dr. Mahathir Mohamad is not born everyday.

    (23rd. October, 2003)
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  2. Yes, admittedly he did a few things, but he was also unfair in dealing out ISA to those who had an opinion. He also did nothing to help the non-Malays. He never did much to wipe out corruption which has grown like cancer now. He was not a fair man. He did not think of malaysia as Malaysians but only as Malays and muslims. This is not a great leader but a racist. He will be remembered as such by those who felt his tyranny.

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  3. To Selena

    I feel it’s weird that the non-malays keep saying that nothing was done to help them. From what I see, the non-malays are thriving in malaysia. Of course by sheer number it might be less than malays but this is due to the population which is undoubtedly malay by majority. If we compare average income of malays to other races it would come to about the same. When I take a look at singapore, it’s even worse than here, malay private land taken over and the malays there are treated like low class citizens. I don’t see that at all here. For all it’s worth I don’t see the minority making it big in china or for that matter india. So I feel malaysian minority has always been given a fair chance. I HATE IT WHEN SOMEONE PLAYS THE RACE CARD especially when they’re the ones who are racists.

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  4. I totally agree with Adi. Where else in the world we can see the minority with so many benefits given by the government if not in Malaysia. Yet you keep on hawking the supposedly bad majority without realizing that you are the bad one. You keep on biting the hands that without regrets keep feeding you all day all night. Who’s the actual racist here? Can you Selena, tell us if there is any race-based schools for the minorities in other countries?

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  5. well Selina,

    i’m so tired with a ppl like you. you keep on bragging of not helping the non malays..i think he help a LOT.. if not Selina, you wont be speaking chinese and indian in this country ..you suppose to speak one language that is BAHASA MALAYSIA.. and you wont see a chinese or indian school if his helping a malay only..dont acccuse other ppl a racist bcoz you are the one who is a racist here.
    geezzz..Selina grow up….

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  6. Mahathir is a genius, thats no doubt about that. But during the course the of his premiership, he has either stolen billions of ringgit or have caused it to go to waste(unaccounted for) He has made his cronies overnight millionaires and billionaires. He is the one who made Petronas only answerable to him and not to the parliament—WHY–so that he can manipulate the billions of ringgit generated by the oil company. Every time a GLC or a crony company goes bust, he will bail them out with the rakyat’s money. A typical eg is Bank bumiputra–went bust a few times, but was bailed out with the rakyat’s money. His son’s shipping company was also bailed out using the rakyat’s money. He had been using the rakyat’s money as though his grandfather’s money. He has depleted the country’s monies and resources by engaging in mega projects and uneconomical industries. Now Datuk Sri Abdullah Badawi is facing the consequences of Mahathir’s actions. He had no choice but to increase the oil price.

    JMD : Please do not give me statements that Pak Lah is retifying TDM’s mistakes in the past. What you said in your first few sentences echoes greatly in Pak Lah’s administration. He made his cronies rich as well. He give a lot of projects to his son’s company. His son in law runs the country like his own playground. I’m asking you this – were you not better off during TDM’s reign? Was the cost of living really low at that time as compared to now? Regardless what you said about how he runs the country, during TDM’s time, the nation was more prosperous and respected that today. The nation was prosperous up to 2004 and maybe 2005. But the mismanagement of Pak Lah’s rule since 2003, with his obscene amount of wastage (private airbus, holidays, Turki yacht, Monsoon Cup, SCOMI’s jacked up project costs, Patrick Badawi’s projects, etc) had made the country lost billions of ringgit. And you know why the country had enough money as compared during TDM’s time? Pak Lah failed to generate income for the country. He did not ‘sell’ Malaysia well enough. He did not attract enough investors with his flip flop policy. He made wrong economic decisions (unpegging the ringgit, selling out strategic businesses to Singapore, unable to fight against commodity speculators in Davos, Apec and OIC etc). And since when Parliament need to be answerable to him or to the Parliament? Petronas’ accounts are made public because it is a PLC. Just go to Bursa Malaysia or the ROC in The Mall and take a look at their accounts. Petronas is audited by KPMG. Go look at the accounts. What is there to hide? I do not understand the notion that the Petronas need to be more transparent by disclosing their accounts. Just surf their website and click on the pdf file by all means! Why so susah susah?

    About bailing crony companies. Just like the US who had bailed several of huge companies connected to the top leadership, I just have this to say. The companies bailed out is not RM2 company. They are huge companies with strategic importance to the economy. They usually have tens of thousand workers which probably have your own relatives working in it. They are deemed crony companies because the top management or it’s chairman are seen close to TDM. If you are a CEO of CELCOM, and not close to the leadership of the country, you are indeed practising bad PR service. Your company will not survive against the competition.

    So, instead of saving the lives of tens of thousands Malaysians working in that company, and also saving the potential strategic business from going bust and picked on by neighbouring country at a cheaper price, you would rather let it go bankrupt? Are you that cruel? Even the worker’s union of these companies had submitted referendum to the countries’ leadership to help save their ailing companies. But it was always not without a catch. Tajudin Ramli had to sell his shares from TRI Resources (main shareholder of Celcom). Why? Because TDM felt that Tajudin was incompetent to manage Celcom. You see, it is not bailing cronies per see, but help save your fellow Malaysians from losing their jobs as well. How blinded are you? Other examples such as MAS. You’d rather let MAS go bankrupt than wanting to save thousands of workers from being jobless? How about MISC? A strategic shipping company for Malaysia. They have (at 1996), more than 5 thousand workers nationwide. After the bailout, his son had to let go of his shares. That’s the price to pay for any bail out exercise. You not competent, you get booted out. Name me other bail out exercise that you know TDM had done? And I can confidently tell you that there are bigger picture involve.

    When did Bank Bumiputra nearly went bust? You had better get your facts straight. Bank Bumi lost several billions of ringgit during the BMF scandal in the early 80’s. Was it his fault? BBMB needed to be rescued because again, they have thousands of staff. Furthermore, it is a national symbol for the Malays. How could a prime minister let a Malay institution go bust? The Chairman of BBMB at that time was Tengku Razaleigh. He was also the Finance Minister. Again, his effort to help rescue the ordinary Malaysians was always discredited as an act of selfishness. Why is this? Got too much time on his critics’ hands?

    Even Anwar Ibrahim had his cronies. He saved a lot of them all in the name of rescuing strategic business entity. Remember Halim Saad and Renong? You think Renong is a small company which need to be bankrupted in the name of virtue and ‘oh we don’t need to save this company coz it’s owners are cronies’? TELL THAT TO THE POTENTIAL JOBLESS WORKERS! But of course, only the owners are punished in a bailout. Not the manpower or the business itself.

    So my friend, your observation is partly correct. But you were wrong in the intention of the bail out exercise. The other thing, the country had plenty of money back in 2003. But your current PM and his cronies swindled all of it for the past 5 years. At least during TDM’s time, all mega projects brought on a lot of generated income (Formula One, KLIA, 1st Penang Bridge, PLUS Highway, Putrajaya etc). But the mega projects of Pak Lah bleeds out more outflows than inflows (Monsoon Cup, Crystal Mosque, Private Airbus? etc). Frankly, most Malaysians don’t care what a PM do with the country, as long as they areprosperous and have enough money in their pockets. Sound ludicrous? Just look at Singapore! They have worse democracy than ours, almost zero opposition, their media are controlled including the blogs, but their people are quite happy. Why? Because their King, Lee Kuan Yew and his Prince, put enough money in Singaporeans for them to live comfortably. Ponder on that please. That is why, during TDM’s time, people are generally happy. And this is why at present time, people are unhappy although the country is becoming (so they say) more democratic and freer under Pak Lah.

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  7. Dear JMD,

    For your information I am a govt servant, for 15 years CUEPACS had been asking the govt to give pay increment and other benefits. But is was only during Pak Lah’s tenure did he give a big jump in the income of the govt servants. I received nearly a RM1000 jump. I am definitely better off then during TDM’s time. If he is a great man , why was he implicated in the Linggam Video scandal by an independent Royal Commission. And very recently a Sabah Judge had revealed that TDM had threatened to sack him, if he doesnt toe the govt line.

    JMD : Really? You are better off now as compared last time? I’m glad you are a few of those people who are unaffected by the increased price of living. One thing for sure, the purchasing power during Pak Lah’s time is very much lower than in TDM’s time. In economical terms, money is not important. Cost of goods is also not that important. What is more important is the purchasing power. In Indonesia for example, the salary of graduates in RM900. But they can still survive because their purchasing power is high due to lower cost of living and readily available and cheap public transport. Same goes to Singapore. Their income per capita is 3 times higher than us but the items being sold in the republic is only slightly higher than ours. Thus, purchasing power of their people is higher.

    But look at us talking individualistically. We should see the bigger picture. I stand corrected in my last reply of your recent comment. Pak Lah is wasting more money in his first 4 years as the PM than TDM has. As the result, here we are. Higher cost of living with lower purchsasing power.

    I shall not instruct you on how desperate the situation is now. A lot of people are feeling the squeeze in their pockets these days. Obviously you don’t feel it. About the Linggam video, Dr Mahathir was not implicated. The connotations used made him sound guilty. Even the tribunal did not stated that TDM was guilty. They merely say there is a probability of wrongdoings perpetrated by the 3 individuals which could have severe effect on the then PM’s selection of the Chief Justice. Of course, the media had spun it to tarnish TDM’s reputation. If you are the PM, how can you control people who wanted to use your name to further their own standing. That was TDM’s dilemma.

    One thing I would like to make it clear is – Judges are human beings. They have feelings and more importantly, they have inclinations. Judges may never be truly impartial. Justice Ian’s choice of highlighting this issue prior to giving his predict is very much a suspect. Of course this issue is propagated by Pak Lah’s minions to sidestep the issue of fuel price hike and bolster his position as the PM. We shall wait for the reply by TDM on this. It is curious that the mainstream media like NSTP and The Star failed to mention Datuk Seri Anwar’s name in their reports. Judge Ian mentioned Anwar’s name twice in his revelation. Anwar at that time was in cohort with TDM over the alleged threatening of judges (as per Ian’s revelation). But these mainstream media had conveniently omitted anwar’s name. Why is that?

    I beg you andipool to read this blog article – http://bigdogdotcom.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/did-msms-reporting-on-justice-ian-chins-revelation-tell-all/

    It will answer some of your questions.

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  8. Since JDM have mentioned Anwar Ibrahim being in cohort with TDM, why did then TDM cook up a false accusation and tarnished the image of DSAI before being sacked from the govt and ultimately sentenced to prison by the kangaroo courts. The website you asked me to look into implied that Ian Chin had a personal vendetta to grind against TDM. But is it coincident that all those involved in the persecution of DSAI has been promoted to Federal Court judge( the drunkard Augustine Paul) leaving behind impartial and impeccable judges like Sri Ram, DPP Moktar becoming the Attorney General and later becoming a Federal Court judge, Musa Hasan responsible for dragging mattresses to the court was promoted to IGP. Are these coincidental promotions without the role of dictator TDM.

    JMD : Andipool, TDM never ‘cook’ up false accusations and tarnished the image of DSAI. He based it from real facts brought up by people who had complained to him abt DSAI’s behaviour. Even Karpal Singh believed the accusations of Anwar being a homosexual in 1997. Please refer to http://rockybru2.blogspot.com/2008/04/karpal-contemptible.html

    In the end, DSAI did find guilty on the corruption charges of misusing his power and of homosexual activities. He was released in 2004 due only to certain technicality. Even all 3 judges in the tribunal didn’t deny the fact that DSAI did participate in some homosexual activities.

    U said Musa Hassan was promoted to IGP which implies he was promoted to IGP just because he helped TDM tarnished the image of DSAI. But the fact is, Musa Hassan was promoted to IGP in 2006 by Pak Lah. How could TDM had a role in his promotion? He was appointed deputy IGP in 2005, 2 years after TDM retired. He was a police officer since 1969 by the way and a law graduate. Please refer to http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/9/8/nation/15370913&sec=nation

    How would you know that Sri Ram is impartial? From the way he and his niece (Ambiga) behaved, they had been making statements which closely echoing the calls of the opposition. Agustine Paul’s a drunkard? Wow. So that statement would make Agustine Paul less fit to be promoted to Federal Court? How about the heavy drinker like Zaid Ibrahim? Would that make him less honourable to be a Minister? The fact is, he was promoted to be a Federal Court judge in 2005. What does this got to do with TDM?

    I said in 1997 DSAI was in cohort with TDM because at that time, both were in power. But now, I have another poser to ask you. If DSAI today revealed that he did not even remember attending a ‘boot camp’ as mentioned by Ian Chin, would that make Ian Chin a liar? Or does that make DSAI a liar? Which shows that Ian Chin did have a personal vendetta against TDM. And I thought all judges should remain impartial and devoid of all inclinations or favour to any one side, regardless of any personal issues they have. But Ian Chin acted in a way that diminished the judges’ own ethical conduct! Putting his personal frustrations upfront.

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  9. Your comment on this Malaysia Today comments about Mahathir:-
    You have no rights to operate and deposit so many millions in the Bank of Israel as highlighted recently in Malaysia Today lately. Whatever rights we deserve you had conveniently taken away from the poor, ie. by giving contracts and privileges to your families and cronies during the time you were in power. Thats how u have so many millions to deposit in Bank of Israel. Where does all these money come from? From your ancestors? We all know you started your career as an ordinary doctor in Alor Star. Even if you dont spend a single cent during your lifetime, you still will not be able to save so many millions of ringgit in the Bank of Israel. Come on old man. Let us not play the escapists game. Dont try to escape from reality. Cough up what you had squandered all these years and the Bodowi gomen need not have to increase petrol prices by 41%.

    JMD : Dear Andipool, it seems that you have missed TDM’s explanation about this purported lie. Please do not be too prejudicial about things which are uncertain or an outright lie thus falling prey to the massive propaganda.

    Therefore I urge you to read his explanation here : http://www.chedet.com/2008/06/snippets_13.html

    Thanks andipool.

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  10. Dear JMD,

    What is your comment about Raja Petras following comments in his Malaysia Today:-

    An estimated RM2 trillion of the nation’s wealth has been plundered and squandered by our leaders over the last 35 years or so. The chance of these leaders suddenly getting a serious attack of remorse, which will result in these leaders returning all this money they plundered and squandered, is as remote as the chance of Paris Hilton becoming a nun and campaigning for a ban on premarital sex.

    JMD : Well, RPK is good in sensationalizing an issue and wrote it in a sensational way. I love reading all his articles. But is there a truth in it? We’ll see. The fact is, the figure of RM2 trillion I believe was based on the total revenue/profit of Petronas since in 1973 (its inception). That comes out with an average of RM57 billion per year.

    That is a huge amount to plunder and squander. We have to get all this back from the late Tun Razak, Tun Tan Cheng Lock (he was Finance Minister back then), Tun Hussein Onn, Tengku Razaleigh (Petronas Chairman in the 70’s and Finance Minister in the 80’s) Dr Mahathir and Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim (Finance Minister 1991 – 1998). And yes, from Tun Daim Zainuddin too (Finance Minister 1984 – 1991, 1999 – 2001).

    So how do we prove that all these people stole the money? And most importantly, how can we claim from them?

    Since some of those people mentioned had died, shall we go after their surviving family members? Do we have to show invoices or receipts in order to claim from these people? I don’t know. But since RPK is a close friend to Anwar Ibrahim, why don’t we all tell him to ask Anwar about all the money he squandered. That would be a start. When Anwar had returned all that then we can start the ball rolling by asking the rest of the group.

    And yes, we should ask Tun Musa Hitam too, not to mention the late Tun Ghaffar Baba. Tun Ghaffar who died relatively a poor man, must not be taken for granted. He could have stashed his loot somewhere in the Bank of Israel. His son, Tamrin Ghaffar, a simple man by any account, must be interrogated and coerced to give us the account number. If that failed, maybe we could dismantle KLCC, KLIA, PLUS Highway, Penang Bridge, Selangor Mosque, all other development projects done since 1973 including all the previously government owned housing projects like Taman Tun Dr Ismail, Taman Tar and sell them parts by parts to the highest bidder and the collection money can be banked in into our bank accounts so that we shall not work for the rest of our lazy lives.

    Sensational isn’t it?

    By the way, have you read a book called ‘The Young Turks of Petronas’? It’s by Datuk Ismail Hashim. It was one of the best book I ever read. I suggest you read it. It’s about the trials and tribulations of a group of 30 somethings trying to set up a national oil company under the leadership of the late Tun Razak. It’s a true story. You will then know the real story behind the spirit of Petronas and the perseverance of those people back then. We are just not worthy!🙂

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  11. Dear JMD,

    You are asking RPK to ask DSAI to return the loot he stole. But Mahathir used the courts( as proven in the Linggam Video Scandal) to inflict the maximum damage to DSAI, failed to reveal a single sen as corruption money. TDM wanted to finish off DSAI in what ever way possible. He asked the police to torture Munawar and DSAI’s step brother in the most inhumane manner(as expressed in their sworn affidavit) to force them to confess that DSAI sodomised them.
    By the way, I am sure you are aware that 90% of the lawyers were against the way TDM treated DSAI–they are the legal brains, they should know better than the layman–the evidence produced were all rubbish. And it is proven that TDM used his henchmen to finish off DSAI’s political career—but GOD is great, he is soon going to realise his ambition of becoming the next PM…insyallah. He could have been the PM now if only,if only he had been a YESMAN to TMD–not questioning TDM’s abuses and the bailingout of his cronies. Once he becomes the PM then he will produce all the evidence(now they are Official Secrets Act) to convict all those plunderers and squanderers.

    JMD : Dear andipool, yes I did say RPK should ask DSAI to return the money he had squandered because in RPK’s article he mentioned that the country leaders should return the money the stole. Wasn’t Anwar a country leader back then? He was a member of the cabinet since 1982 to 1998. If you think Anwar is clean? I’m having a good laugh even right now.

    You made several wrong assumptions;

    1) Lingam video scandal – evidence TDM used the courts
    There was no mention whatsoever in that video that TDM INSTRUCT Lingam to call Tun Fairuz. Watch the video again. It was Lingam calling Fairuz (or vice versa) and Fairuz asking favour from Lingam (which Lingam may get some help from Vincent Tan and Tengku Adnan) to lobby on his behalf so as to get the nod from TDM for him to become Chief Justice. Was it TDM’s fault that people close to him used his name? Of course not. So please show me how could TDM be implicated by this video that would at most, implicate Tun Fairuz for lobbying (if lobbying is indeed illigal in this country, last time I check, everyone lobbies for everything here!). The PM has the CONSTITUTIONAL duty to advice to the then Agung on who would be the Chief Justice. He could have never made an advice if he doesn’t hear any recommendations from the relevant people. Who are this people? This procedures had been done so many times since the days after Merdeka.

    2. DSAI court case – corruption
    Andipool, the charges on corruption against Anwar in the courts in 1999 was not about him swindling money. It was about him abusing power in directing a top police officer to stop investigating the police report against him and directing the top police officer to intimidate kew witnesses. You need to read more.

    3. TDM asked the police to torture people
    I’m guessing you were there in TDM’s room when he told the IGP to ‘SEKSA MEREKA SEKARANG!’ Anyway, police have always acted on their own. The fact of the matter is, those 2 witnesses submitted two affidavits. One declaring that Anwar sodomised them while the next affidavit denies it while claiming the police tortured them. Affidavits are sworn statements if you didn’t know it already. Both are Muslims. Sukma was condemned to jail for the sodomy charges which had found him guilty. From the extensive coverage of the trial and the information given from medical records and witnesses, do you doubt that he didn’t do it?

    4. DSAI was not TDM’s yes man
    My dear andipool, DSAI was the strongest yes man TDM had ever had all the way to 31st August 1998. He helped TDM do everything the old man asked. He even went overboard when TDM made him Acting Prime Minister in 1997 for 2 months. DSAI bailed out his own cronies (RHB, Sime) too back then. What is the issue here? In fact, if your watch BBC Hardtalk interview of Anwar Ibrahim with Stephan Sachur, DSAI had difficulty answering some of the questions posed to him about his career when he was in the govt!

    God is indeed great. That is why DSAI did go to jail for all the abuse of power and corruption he did when he was the Finance Minister. Did you know that when DSAI wanted to contest against Tun Ghaffar in 1993 for the deputy presidency, he was alleged to have bribed all the representatives of the Umno assembly with shares of HICOM? They were given pink forms of 10 lots of shares each just for him to win the deputy presidency. And that was just the tip of the iceberg! Hard to believe? Of course since he projects a clean image all throughout his career. Much like Pak Lah. Could we have predicted Pak Lah would be more corrupt than Anwar?

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  12. Dear JMD,

    You have not answered my question, why is that about 90% of the legal fraternity was against TDM’s actions. And now a great judge Azmi Kamarudding is accusing TDM of intimidating the judiciary.

    “Ex-Supreme Court judge Azmi Kamaruddin claimed that Mahathir had wanted to amend Article 121 of the Federal Constitution – a provision on the separation of power between the legislature, judiciary and the executive.

    “I felt that he wanted to rule like a dictator. He (Mahathir) was already the head of legislature (and) he wanted the judiciary to be under his control as well. That was his intention,” said Azmi.

    “I’m sorry to say but Mahathir is actually very clever in killing two birds with one stone. I say that because what he did was very clever in a sense because he wanted to amend the constitution and have the judiciary under him,” added Azmi.” I am sure these people are not lying because they belong to the old school of thought–impeccable and impartial judges. You had questioned me how I know Justice Sri Ram is impartial–his judgements will show that he is impartial—it is a well known fact in the legal fraternity.

    JMD : Sigh. Truthfully, I do not know why 90% of the legal fraternity is against TDM’s action as I am not a lawyer nor a judge. Maybe they have ulterior motives? Maybe they thought they’d know better? Maybe they were closely associated with DSAI therefore are automatically aligned to support DSAI? Maybe being lawyers, they are inherently rebellious in nature? Anyway, how can you be so sure it is 90%? Are you one of the people in the legal fraternity? If you are, maybe you can answer me this – why is there still 10% (as you claim) of the people in fraternity supports TDM’s actions?

    But I do hope my other 4 points in answering your previous comments would have given you an alternate view on looking at the same issue. Thanks.

    Regarding Azmi’s accusations. Here is his full statement from the papers;

    One of the six former judges implicated in the 1988 judiciary crisis today revealed how the integrity of the judiciary was encroached by the interference of former prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohammad.

    Former Supreme Court judge Azmi Kamaruddin claimed that Mahathir had wanted to amend Article 121 of the Federal Constitution, a provision of the separation of power between the legislature, judiciary and the executive.

    I felt that he wanted to rule like a dictator. He (Mahathir) was already the head of legislature (and) he wanted the judiciary to be under his control as well, that was his intention,” said Azmi.

    Azmi was talking to reporters after receiving his ex-gratia payment from the de facto law minister Zaid Ibrahim for his sufferings in the 1988 judicial crisis.

    Azmi and five other top judges, including the then Lord President Salleh Abas was forced to face tribunals in 1988 which resulted in the sacking of three supreme court judges including Salleh Abas and the suspension of the rest.

    As part of the government’s effort to restore the integrity of the judiciary following pressure from the legal fraternity, current Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi on April 17 said that ex-gratia payments will be made to the judges implicated.

    Zaid also issued payment to Salleh in his house in Setiawangsa and Azmi.
    Earlier this month senior High Court judge Ian Chin had accused Mahathir of threatening judges in 1997, a claim which was denied by the former premier.

    My take :

    How convenient to accuse someone by only using the word ‘I felt’ without any credible evidence. And he did not elaborate further on Tun’s purported intention to amend Article 121. From his statement, he said Dr Mahathir ‘wanted to’. Was he implying that TDM did not? I think so. Did TDM really seek for the amendmends of Article 121? What were the amendmends? Is it for a good cause? Do you really know? Or do you want me to find out for you?

    What a way to play with words this ex judge just did! And to worsen the situation, what he ‘felt’ is construed as the truth by the public! This is a clear case of mala fide don’t you think?

    Azmi should just kept quiet and count his lucky stars that TDM is not the kind of person who would make police reports against such slander.

    I never knew that judges like to ‘SHOOT FROM THE HIP’ when making statements. Are they shooting from the hip when making judgements as well? What a scary thought. Thank God he was sacked/suspended back then.

    It is better to remain quiet before people judge you as stupid when you open your mouth. But what to expect from a judge who had just received an undisclosed amount of ex-gratia money (tax payers’ money) on top of his monthly pension? He is now accusing without any facts. We need to examine his motives in doing so.

    Aren’t you the least bit curious on how much money were given to all these ex judges in the form of ex gratia payments?

    Thank you for commenting. Have a good weekend!🙂

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  13. Dear JMD,

    Your comments on this—
    “Lim Guan Eng told Parliament that international investments and finances services giant Morgan Stanley had in 2004 estimated that as much as US$100 billion (then RM380 billion) had been squandered through corruption over the past two decades”.
    The 2 decades must be TDM’s time–what a staggering figure.

    JMD : Firstly andipool, have you read this 2004 Morgan Stanley report in its entirety? I haven’t. But I really want to know what was the mode of research Morgan Stanley had conducted in order to get the figures? Yeah it was during TDM’s time. Wonder who was the longest finance minister ever served under TDM’s regime? Anwar Ibrahim had a lot to answer for this. Before you get any answers from him, it’s better if you read this (if you haven’t read it already) – https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/theres-something-about-anwar-alright/

    As it stands now, nobody made any report regarding corruption even when Anwar was the Finance Minister. Why? Is it because there isn’t any proof? So, when ACA themselves couldn’t find any proof, how could Morgan Stanley came up with the figures? And this figure constitutes the entire squandered amount for the past 2 decades.

    The most likely method is to just multiply the average project inefficiency ratio to the total annual budget of the country for the past 22 years. Hence, you will get the USD100 billion. Since the standard ratio is 15% of each project (meaning 15% of project value is wasted through idle time, kickbacks etc), then the total 100% figure would be USD667 billion. USD667 billion divide by 22 years = USD30 billion. USD30 = RM115 billion (using RM3.8 per 1 USD).

    RM115 billion per year is approximately the average annual budget of Malaysian Government since 1981 to 2003 (Annual budget 1981 = RM85 billion, 2003 = RM140 billion). See how easy it is to manipulate data and label it maliciously? Is this what Morgan Stanley had done? Inefficiency ratio need not be entirely due to corruption. There are a lot of other factors within its perimeters.

    Are they speculating? With the absence of the detailed report, their scope of reference and the sheer improbability to gauge the wastage through corruption. I would think that they are plucking figures from air.

    Well since we are in the realm of speculation, ever wonder who is behind Morgan Stanley? Lim Guan Eng should have more finesse in relying entirely from a dubious report when asking questions in the Parliament. To me it was just a cheap shot of getting political mileage. Bring the evidence next time.

    Well anyway, you made up your mind already now don’t you? TDM stashed billions of ringgit and dollars in Swiss Bank or Bank of Israel somewhere, leaving all of us poor rakyat eating instant noodles for the past 22 years. Anyway, why direct me to statements made by public figures? If you want further clarification, why don’t you ask DSAI why he did not do anything when he was in the government since 1982? Maybe because there was indeed nothing wrong? Or maybe because he was also dirty to the core?

    However, I do not discount nor expound the existence of corruption in Malaysian government. Corruption do exists. It exists everywhere in this world. Why would Malaysia be any different? It exists within 100 days of PKR rule in the state of Selangor already so why wouldn’t it existed in the past 22 years? Even our traffic police and RELA members are corruption proned. Even religious men are corrupted sometimes. Do you think the late Tan Sri Lim Goh Tong and owners of YTL never offered any bribes? Why attacked TDM only? But I digress, sorry.

    Anyway, I’d like to get your comment on this news – http://bigdogdotcom.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/is-this-statutory-declaration-true/

    My questions are;

    a) why would Rosmah destroy the opportunity to have a strong alibi by not being at the murder scene when it happens, and

    b) if Pak Lah and KJ knows about this piece of information where Rosmah was directly involved with the murder, wouldn’t Pak Lah and KJ be declared as accomplices of this murder when they chose to be silent about this piece of revelation? Shouldn’t they informed the police about this?

    c) from your last comment, you still haven’t answer why 10% of the people in the legal fraternity is supporting TDM.

    Thanks andipool! It’s been a pleasure.

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  14. Dear Andipool, my reply in parenthesis.

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    Dear JMD,

    Since you insist in me giving an answer to the 10% of legal fraternity, it is very simple–be realistic and rational–in any democracy the majority voice is accorded it’s due recognition–minority views don’t hold water. Most probably the 10% of them might have pecuniary interest or simply the blackship of the legal profession. [Correct. As you said, the minority views do not hold water. But does that mean the Oppositions’ views in the Dewan Rakyat do not hold water as well? Hmmm.. interesting. How about the views of the minority races in Malaysia? Should we discard them? Again, those 10% (I wonder how you could come up with this percentage in the first place – did you talk to ALL lawyers and judges in Malaysia?) cannot be simply thrown away just because you believe they have pecuniary interests. Then again, I am not a lawyer. I could be wrong. And you are a government civil servant for the past 15 years. You can be wrong too.]

    What is your comment about the following article in Malaysiakini:-\

    Dr M: 22 fiascos in 22 years of power
    Batman | Jun 27, 08 4:45pm
    Many of those who worshiped Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad cannot understand why Malaysians blame TDM for the woes of the country [after reading all 22 of these fiascos, I still fail to understand P Guna’s reason that TDM did more bad than good] I have compiled excerpts of reports which were published in the media in past years to refresh the memories of Malaysians, as to why many Malaysians feel that TDM did more bad than good for the country in his 22 years.

    [This article first appeared in 20th June 2006 in The Edge. The writer, P Gunasegaram was the group chief editor for The Edge. Since April 2008, he left The Edge and was selected to be the Director of Sime Darby. It has been a current joke among the Malaysian professionals that if one wants to climb up the ladder, one must demonise TDM in order to further one’s career. How could a journalist become a Director of a huge conglomerate? However, he worked there for awhile but tendered his resignation after barely 2 months on the job. Mr Guna is a well known critic of Mahathir since the day Proton was launched in 1984. We shall therefore try to expound his biasness with a more rational and realistic outlook on the issues mentioned below – I also need help from your rational and realistic mind in this Andipool. I may not be able to comment on some of the issues if I have no knowledge of it so I do hope you would at least try to find other source of reference in order to determine the other side of the story]

    MCPXThese 22 fiascos were published in the form of questions directed to TDM:

    1. On clean government

    You came to power in 1981 and introduced the slogan Bersih, Cekap dan Amanah (Clean, Efficient and Trustworthy). What did you do to further that? [standardising time between east and west Malaysia, civil servants wear nametags, punch in clocks were introduced, liquor in military dinner mass were banned, more efficient procurement procedures, Look East Policy, 3M teaching method in school were introduced and many other which are too numerous to mention] Did you make the Anti-Corruption Agency more independent and effective? [P. Guna should ask the relevant ACA directors on this]. Did you ensure that the police and judiciary did their jobs properly and reduce corruption in their ranks? [P. Guna should ask the relevant IGPs and Chief Justices on this] Did you ensure that ministers and chief ministers not have incomes beyond their legal means? How many big guns were prosecuted for corruption offences during your tenure? What happened to Bersih, Cekap dan Amanah?

    [P.Guna method of writing is actually to lay blame on TDM based on the performance of government institutions headed by people working in his administration. While I believe he is not solely responsible for any corruption (perceived or really existed) within each ministry and institution, he is quite accountable for the actions of his subordinates. In this regard, he is partly to be blamed. But why did P. Guna attacked only TDM? For instance, TDM was not the Home Minister in charge of the ACA and the police for most of the 80’s. Tun Musa Hitam was. And the Finance Ministers during his time was Ku Li (the first Malay Finance Minister), Tun Daim and Anwar.]

    2. Press freedom

    Your criticism of the present government got plenty of coverage in the local media whereas, during your time, criticisms against you by two former prime ministers were muted in the mainstream newspapers. Editors in Umno-linked newspapers, too, were removed for not toeing the line. What did you do to advance the cause of responsible press freedom?

    [In this regard, P. Guna, a journalist by profession seemed to suffer memory loss. For most of the 90’s, the mainstream papers belonged people closely linked to DSAI (Johan Jaafar etc.). At that time, news on the PM were downgraded to 2nd or 3rd page. DSAI gets main coverage on the 1st page. TDM did not do anything about it as DSAI was his successor and he was not that vain to hog the limelight all the time. Anyway, in the 80’s, Musa Hitam had a lot of freedom in criticising TDM. He can campaign, criticise TDM, meet Umno members, do roadshows before the Umno General Assembly in 1987. And his speeches can be read in Mingguan Watan, and other vernacular papers. After the bitter rivalry in 1987, Musa Hitam was elected as the ambassador to United Nations even. TDM was never a vengeful person. If he is, Pak Lah will not be where he is today. Speaking of Pak Lah, now under Pak Lah’s administration, can a candidate freely criticise him? Campaigning is not even allowed. Where is the freedom?]

    3. Proton

    You went ahead with the national car project in 1983 despite a number of experts [care to share this detail?] disagreeing with you, especially with respect to the lack of economies of scale. Isn’t it true that Proton’s profits over the past 20 years came from the vastly higher prices that the Malaysian public has had to pay to subsidise Proton [public subsidising Proton? Is buying a product at market value be called subsidising? The truth is, Proton cars were so cheap back then that the profit margin could hardly reach 10%. This was true till the demise of the late Tan Sri Yahya Ahmad in 1997] resulting in considerable hardship for Malaysians who need cars because of the poor public transport system? Why was it necessary for Proton to buy a stake in a failed Italian motorcycle manufacturer when it could not even produce cars competitively?

    [Do we still need to explain the benefits of having a national car? This had been told countless of times. P Guna also did not do his research on MV Agusta. Maybe he should write an article on why MV AGusta was sold for only 1 euro by Pak Lah which was then bought over by another company for millions of euros. Hence, the loss of opportunity of technology transfer. I reckon by being a journalist, P Guna failed to have a long term vision since probably journalism only deals with current and past situation. Again, P Guna should also ask the relevant minister for each relevant sector he is criticising (MITI, Transport Ministry and Finance Ministry). In the first place, why shouldn’t the ordinary Malaysian buy Proton? Only haughty, rich people of Malaysia would not want to use Proton]

    4. Heavy industries

    Why did you push into heavy industries such as steel and cement in the 1980s, ignoring studies [care to share this detailed study? Or was he just stating some ambiguous report just to support his criticism?] which suggested developing natural resource-based industries instead? They caused major problems and billions of ringgit in losses.

    [Again, long term vision. I do not think if there are losses in the heavy industries, TDM is solely to be blamed. TDM was not running these industries all by himself. Is P Guna so confident that natural resource based industries will not incur any losses? In the period of early 90’s, prices of natural resources like rubber and tin were so low, government had to step in and help the affected tin miners and the rubber industry. Currently, prices of steel and cement are sky high and highly profitable. Should TDM take credit for this?]

    5. Immigration

    Why did you allow hordes of people to emigrate, mainly from Indonesia, in such an unregulated way that there are as many or more illegal immigrants than legal ones now, accounting for some three million or more people? Did you not realise that this would cause serious social problems?

    [What’s this got to do with TDM? Why is this even called a fiasco? Do you expect TDM himself to guard the Malaysian borders? It is common sense that when a country is highly prosperous, the people from less prosperous neighbouring countries would come and find work here. Do you see ordinary Malaysians in the 90’s migrate to become construction workers in other countries? In fact this is a subtle achievement for TDM. Malaysia was highly prosperous, that everyone wants to find work here. As for this alleged fiasco, P Guna should ask the Immigration Director la on why is he sleeping on the job! Oh and ask one of the longest serving foreign minister (1991 – 1999) in TDM’s era also on why there is no strong bilateral ties between countries concerning regulation on illegal immigrants. Do you know who that is andipool?]

    6. Operasi Lallang

    Why did you have to resort to this move in October 1987, when you used the Internal Security Act (ISA) to detain over 100 people, close down four newspapers and cause a wave of fear throughout the country? Was it to consolidate your tenuous hold on power then by using an oppressive law?

    [This issue has been discussed so many times it’s becoming tiresome. Please read the end of this article; https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/the-two-sides-of-a-coin-the-crisis-of-1987-1988/
    P Guna made one wrong assessment in this one – Operasi Lalang caused a wave of fear throughout the country. That was far from the truth. The truth was – the extreme racial tension brought forth by the Chinese and the backlash by the Malays prior to the Operasi Lalang that caused a wave of fear. Operasi Lalang was done to REMOVE that fear. Remember that]

    7. Judiciary

    What was your motive to take action in 1988 to remove the then Lord President and several Supreme Court judges from their positions under allegations of judicial misconduct, a move which was heavily criticised by the Bar Council and other bodies? Was it because you needed more compliant judges whose rulings would not threaten your position of power in a number of cases in court?

    Was this the first step in dismantling the judiciary’s role as a system of check and balance against the legislature and the executive? What have you to say to repeated assertions by many, including prominent ex-chief justices, who maintain that this led to the erosion of judicial independence?

    [Again read this : https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/the-two-sides-of-a-coin-the-crisis-of-1987-1988/ and this : https://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/the-crisis-of-1987-1988-is-there-a-third-side-of-a-coin/%5D

    8. Education

    Why did you allow our national school system, which is the ideal place to develop ties among young Malaysians, to become so divisive? Why is it that our local universities, once the preferred choice of tertiary education, have deteriorated to a level that even students who gain admission prefer to enroll into local private universities.

    [My only explanation is, the parents have become so rich that they prefer to send their children to the more expensive colleges. But on a more serious note, where is the numbers to substantiate this? This year alone, 40 thousand SPM leavers applied for a place in public universities. Granted that University Malaya lost its place as the premier university in Asia in 2007. But is that TDM’s fault entirely? Maybe P Guna should also ask the education ministers during TDM’s time. Then again, I think this so called divisiveness among young Malaysians is due to the existence of other vernacular schools. In order to create a unified Malaysia, all chinese and tamil schools must be closed and all their students be absorbed into the national school. Only then we can have this Bangsa Malaysia. Agree?]

    9. Malaysia Airlines

    Why did your government sell MAS (private sale) to Tajuddin Ramli who had no knowledge whatsoever about running an airline? Why did your government then later bail out Tajuddin by paying RM8 per share when the shares were trading at only RM3.60 in the open market, costing close to RM1 billion of the rakyat’s money.

    [Basically, what P Guna is insinuating is, to let the National flagship, the pride of the nation, with thousand of workers, be left bankrupted due to external factors and strong competition. Tajuddin was ordered (after several other business tycoons declined), as a national service to the nation, to buy stakes in Malaysia Airlines in order to save it from going bust (the management did not do well after the demise of its Chairman Tan Sri Zain Azraai in 1996). As for the payment of RM8 per share, P Guna should have done his homework. But he chose not to hence this article of his is clearly done to demonise TDM. Please refer to this article for the story : http://www.geocities.com/freedom_malaysia/mas.html. But I guess P. Guna was banking on our own short term memory about this issue and just want the people to be angry at TDM.]

    10. Privatisation

    Why did you allow privatisation to take place in such a manner that the most profitable parts of government operations were sold away like Telekom Malaysia, Pos Malaysia and Tenaga Nasional? Tolled roads had guaranteed toll rate increases and compensations in the event traffic projections were not met. Independent power producers (IPPs) had contracts that guaranteed them profits at the expense of Tenaga Nasional. What was the justification of privatising the government medical stores to Southern Task Sdn Bhd, and the resulting increase in the prices of medicines?

    [Please read my past commentary replies concerning privatisation]

    11. Putrajaya

    What is the justification for spending RM20 billion on a grandiose government city at a time when office space was available in Kuala Lumpur? Could the money not have been put to better use, such as improving educational resources?

    [Another short sightedness on his part. Putrajaya was built as to cater for another 50 to 100 years. Won’t KL be so packed with people in that time? At least the cost to build an entire city would be far less to build then than it is now. At least have some pride in Putrajaya. It was deemed as one of the most beautiful and well organised infrastruture in the world back in 2004. Note that TDM did not named Putrajaya as Mahathirjaya or Hasmahjaya. He named it after Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al Haj. TDM is not a vengeful person.]

    12. Indah Water Konsortium

    What was the basis of granting Indah Water Konsortium a concession to manage the national sewerage system? Could you explain the RM1.4 billion soft loan to IWK which clearly has irrecoverable losses?

    [From what I see in IWK accounts, IWK is making profit although their collection rate could have been higher. plus, P Guna’s sewerage system is not that smelly anymore. The government saved a lot of money by having a private company to handle waste management. Clearly, point no. 12, with the absence of complete details, is just a misdirection to further inflame the public to hate TDM]

    13. Konsortium Perkapalan Berhad

    Why did you rescue Konsortium Perkapalan Berhad (then owned by your son Mirzan) and which had debts of RM1.7 billion using funds from Petronas? Was it not your administration which forced Malaysian International Shipping Company (MISC) to acquire the assets of Konsortium Perkapalan Nasional?

    [I have explained this in my previous reply. Please look into it. I’d like to mention here, that govt bail outs are not limited to only those preceived to have close ties with TDM. When DSAI was in the govt, he bailed out his cronies as well such as Tan Sri Halim Saad of Renong and Tan Sri Rashid Hussain of RHB]

    14. Time Dotcom Bhd

    Why did your administration bail out Time Dotcom Bhd which was saddled with a RM5 billion debt? Why did your government use RM904 million from Kumpulan Wang Amanah Pencen to buy up 273.9 million of unwanted Time Dotcom shares incurring an instant loss of RM280 million?

    Did you not force the Employees Provident Fund (EPF) to buy 81.6 million of the unsubscribed public portion of the initial public offering (IPO) of Time Dotcom Bhd at RM3.30 per share when the shares were trading at only between RM1.95 and RM2.10 and in the process incurring an instant loss of RM100 million?

    [I think at this point, I reckon P Guna is just googling news headlines from 1981 to 2003 and voila! 22 fiascos were created. He should at least do extensive investigation before plunging head first in writing this laughable article. He is asking TDM operational questions concerning EPF and KWAP and the main internet provider of Malaysia. Why lah? P guna should ask Tan Sri Halim Saad (being the person directly benefited from the failed IPO of Time dot Com) about this and the relevant minister in charge of multimedia and also to ask the CEO of Time as well.]

    15. LRT

    Why did you bail out the light rail transit operators Projek Usahasama Transit Ringan Automatik Sdn Bhd (Putra), which belonged to Renong, and Sistem Transit Aliran Ringan Sdn Bhd (Star) using almost RM600 million from the EPF, which still resulted in EPF having to write off RM135 million with a share loss of RM96 million?

    [He bailed out those companies so that ordinary people like myself and andipool can continue to ride the LRT on daily basis. Being a public transport operator is never easy. By default, it has never been profitable simply because the government would pressure the company to keep the fare prices low. That is why, no public transport company in the world is profitable. Even the MRT and London Underground are heavily subsidised by their respective governments. But I think P Guna is too thick to know the plight of these public transport companies. Anyway, please clarify this with the Transport Ministry and the Finance Ministry]

    16. North-South Expressway

    Why did your administration award the North South Expressway concession to UEM (which then formed Plus) and then provide them with a loan of RM1.6 billion which was half of the tender price of RM3.2 billion? What was the justification for your administration to grant Plus such over-generous terms, which included annual increment of toll rates and guaranteed traffic volumes?

    [Possibly because UEM belonged to Halim Saad (Renong) and the Minister of Finance (Tun Daim) at that time wanted to give the lucrative contract to his protege? Okay just kidding. P Guna should just check with the Ministry of Finance back in 1988)]

    17. PSC Industries Berhad

    Why did your administration in 1998 award a RM24.3 billion contract to PSC Industries Berhad [it’s a local company willing to produce boats. should we not be proud of it? rather than getting some foreign company to do it, at least the money paid to PSC will not leave the country] , together with an advance of more than RM2.5 billion to build naval patrol boats? Why were they also given exclusive rights to service the Malaysian navy’s entire fleet? Could you confirm that the first two ships built by PSCI could not even pass pre-delivery trials? How would you answer to the Public Accounts Committee’s revelation that it will cost the government another RM120 million just to salvage the first two vessels nearing completion after seven years?

    [the company cannot perform well because of over extending their foreign loans and also with the currency crisis at that time. Ask the Defense Minister and Finance Minister at that time]

    18. Bakun Dam

    Why did you award Ekran Bhd the contract to build the Bakun hydroelectric dam in Sarawak? Why did your administration take over the construction of the dam by bailing out Ekran by almost RM200 million for ‘work done’?

    [I have forgotten about this issue. Tan Sri Ting Peck Khing’s EKran had some trouble of some sort due to the economic crisis in 1997. TDM may had a hand in this. Or maybe he did not. I do not know]

    19. InventQjaya

    What was the basis of inviting Libyan-American Sadeq Mustaffa to Malaysia to set up InventQjaya Sdn Bhd and to also give him a grant of RM440 million? What was the benefit for Malaysia and how has Malaysia benefitted? What has happened to InventQjaya now?

    [Truthfully, I never heard about this company after it’s launching in October 2003. Their focus is to develop and commercialize new and innovative technologies, in order to help in Malaysia’s efforts in transforming herself into a knowledge-based economy. This is one of TDM’s vision to populate Cyberjaya and simultaneously propel the ‘Silicone valley’ concept in Malaysia. Whatever happened to it after TDM stepped down? I do not know? Did Pak Lah’s administration failed to nurture it? Did they stop supporting the idea of knowledge based economy and started to focus on something else?]

    20. Forex losses

    Why did your administration dabble in speculation in the international money market which ultimately cost Bank Negara almost RM9.3 billion in losses?

    [When is this? Is it the loss in 1993? Or in 1998? Maybe P Guna can ask the BNM governors and the Minister of Finance back then]

    21. Bank Bumiputra

    Why did you allow the mismanagement of Bank Bumiputra, to the extent that it had to be bailed out three times, costing the country a total of RM3 billion? Again, by dipping into Petronas’ funds?

    [Again, this issue had been dealt with in my past reply to your commentary]

    22. Perwaja Steel

    Why did your administration allow Perwaja Steel to be mismanaged resulting in RM2.9 billion of the rakyat’s money being squandered?

    [Please refer to the court case involving the late Tan Sri Eric Chia and Perwaja Steel in 2007. Clearly, the courts had cleared TD’s name in this so called fiasco and even acquitted Tan Sri Eric of CBT]

    There you are – 22 fiascos in 22 years. The bad news is that there are actually more than 22. Remember the APs, Maminco, Renong and many more. Those who remember, please add on to this list.
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    Andipool, I appreciate your comments, but please do not send me this really long red herring if you yourself had not made any research on it. Come on,.. you’re a civil servant. Find the facts first. Anyway, what is your stand on Pak Lah? I read somewhere that somebody had written about 50 fiascos Pak Lah did in his 5 years being PM. Imagine how many he can come up with if he had 22 years!🙂 Thanks.

    p.s : I hope you set up a blog so that you can write how you feel about TDM and people can give comments on your articles. Set it up soon okay? I’ll be your biggest fan!

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  15. Dear Jebat,

    Do not waste your intelligent and inspiring words on someone like andipool. He comes across as a very prejudiced person who does not read and thinks that he is the only right person in this world with his distorted perception of things. He reminds me of Archie Bunker.

    p/s i love reading your replies though. Where do you get all your facts? You must have an archive of facts and a team of researchers to assist you?

    JMD : Thanks Suraya for reading all this. I’m doing my best. I do not have a team of researchers but I do receive some help in getting some facts on topics which I’m not familiar with. I just love to read anyway. Almost anything. If you have a blog, do not hesitate to share🙂

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  16. Suraya,

    Are you aware, that most highly educated people don’t support Mahathir and the BN. You can randomly select any university in Malaysia–here is the place you can find intelligent people–wether students or lecturers–majority of them are pro opposition. Even the recently concluded PRU12–the mostly illiterate barbarians of Sabah and Sarawak gave the extra votes to BN to rule. Now they realise that all these while, they have been taken for a ride–every 5 years vote the BN to power and they live the lifes of a jakun. I am sure you would have voted for the BN and a very staunch supporter of the chief white collar robber Mahathir. The following observation is the opinion of highly educated people who are against blatant abuse of power, anti corruption and dictators—Once again we see the same lunatics trying to tar and feather Anwar Ibrahim with the most slanderous and demeaning allegations against his character. Mind you, these are the same clowns from 10 years ago who tried to tell us that Anwar apparently sodomized his wife’s driver in a bedroom of an apartment complex that wasn’t built yet. These are the same clowns that tried to lead us into believing that Anwar sodomized his wife’s driver, when the driver himself admitted under oath 3 times in open court that Anwar did NOT sodomize him.

    And here we are again, 10 years later, and the circus is back in town trying to convince us that an almost 6-footer of a 23 year old man was forcibly sodomized by a relatively small-build 62 year old man with prior back surgery. And this poor young man was apparently so severely sodomized that he has been rushed to hospital to have his anus probed for damage. Nevermind the fact that this young man “disappeared” for two days prior to the allegation and was in police custody, irrespective of previous reports of the Malaysian police shoving broomsticks up their detainees bottoms to get them to admit to crimes.

    But in all seriousness, if you believe this allegation against Anwar, then I have a submarine to sell you (commissions thrown in, of course).

    They say that prior to an earthquake, animals are often witnessed to be behaving strangely. So too with this allegation against Anwar, we should take heed of the behavior and related circumstances of some of our very own political animals.

    This latest allegation against Anwar smacks of a poorly conceived last-minute strategy by a bunch of desperados. And Exhibit A in the list of desperados is actually a former dictator who now spends most of his time running around the country with his pants on fire. Scandal after scandal has been surfacing about the misbehavior of this former dictator, starting with the infamous “Korek Kronicles” of a prominent lawyer who used to moonlight as a match-maker for corrupt judges and positions of power. Closely following this was the recent bombshell of a disclosure by a present judge that this former dictator supposedly organized bootcamps to demean and demoralize the nation’s judges so that they may bow to the whims of him and his party apparatchiks. Around the same time, we have received reports from global financial experts that Malaysia has bled close to RM 300 billion to corruption since the 1980’s, a time period that unfortunately coincides with the 2 decades long rule of this former dictator. And now, they say they want to have Petronas disclose their accounts to show where all the profits went…an outcome which may not be very favorable to a former dictator who is best known for trivial pursuits and expensive and dead-end crony-friendly mega projects, all at public expense of course.

    Exhibit B consists of two ringside clowns who were instrumental in the first inquisition circus against Anwar Ibrahim. One clown paraded into court on a unicycle while carrying a used mattress over his head, while the other clown built a case of sodomy around a star witness who denied he was ever sodomized. Unfortunately, as with all things UMNO, the clowns usually get promoted and they sit now in the corridors of power merrily honking their noses at the public. Furthermore, Raja Petra Kamarudin has disclosed some very damaging information against one of these clowns and the possible affiliation with undesirables from the underworld, with signed affidavits to boot. To date, neither clown has honked their noses in response to this serious allegation but are instead working double-time to not follow any useful leads or motive in the murder of some poor foreign girl who had some explosive connections with some very volatile people.

    Exhibit C consists of a prominent high-level leader of Malaysia and her henpecked husband. This first-couple-in-waiting (or so they hope) now find themselves in a pickle with the recent Statutory Declaration filed in court by Raja Petra Kamarudin relating to some very explosive matters. But I tell you what lah, we don’t really need any Statutory Declaration to know that trained police bodyguards don’t kill people randomly for no reason, that they also won’t take orders from some civilian head of a think-thank, and that immigration entry records don’t automatically vanish unless you either have some clout in government or you have a magic toyol in your employ. Also, not to forget the the fact that C4 is not your grandfather’s toothpaste that you can easily pick up at the local provisions shop.

    Now all the characters in Exhibits A, B and C have much to lose from any change in government, and run a very good chance of being winners of extended-stay packages at Hotel & Resort Sungai Buloh, with at least one opportunity of a starring role in the resort’s in-house adaptation of “Murder She Wrote”.

    It is quite conceivable for the parties in Exhibits A, B, and C to come together as supporting roles for each other, especially considering that all of them are rotten branches that sprouted from the same diseased two-decades old tree. The desperation of each individual party is the smoking-gun context around this latest slandering of Anwar Ibrahim, as well as the even more dire threat of an assasination attempt against him. And all these events have coincided very nicely with the timing of the henpecked husband implying that he will be making a run for a top-notch political post in the very near future, on the behalf of his wife of course.

    While the circus rolls into town, we are duly entertained by the clowns honking their noses, the first-couple-in-waiting (or so they hope) doing their political acrobatics over a bed of flaming coals, and the old ringmaster running around in circles with his pants on fire after trying to jump through a flaming ring. It is imperative we keep the spotlights trained on all these characters with maximum intensity and not get distracted by the concession stands trying to sell us 10-year old mee sodo rebus. As you know, consession stands always screw you for the dough. So keep your eyes trained on the main act as the sad local adaptation of Monty Phyton’s Flying Circus entertains us to their last hurrah.

    “that an almost 6-footer of a 23 year old man was forcibly sodomized by a relatively small-build 62 year old man with prior back surgery. And this poor young man was apparently so severely sodomized that he has been rushed to hospital to have his anus probed for damage.”

    The above sentence alone is enough to say that the conspirators are trying to kill DSAI’s political career. Think rationally not blindly and accuse people of distorting your sense of facts. JMD is also in your category–support a dictator at what ever cost–cannot accept reality that most literate citizens of this country hate and curse him for the country’s present predicament.

    JMD : There you ago again Andipool. Please write your own blog. You do have a knack for it. Seriously. Unless this is not your own writing. But seriously, unless you’re actually someone within the Opposition party, you may not be this passionate. Yes?

    In my encounters with super pro opposition members, they usually are more passionate and unwilling to listen to the other side of a story. In your case, I notice that you do not provide the credible facts on your first assumption that most highly educated people in Malaysia are pro opposition. Did you go to all the institutes of higher learning in Malaysia? Did you do a survey? If you did, where did you find the time since you professed to be a civil servant. Are you working with the Ministry of Higher Education? And since you claimed that you have been living like a ‘jakun’, can I do a documentary on how a ‘jakun’ like you live a normal life in the big city like Kuala Lumpur?🙂

    Again, please do not write something which are not a true reflection of the reality. You may not want to lose credibility. And please do not call the people in Sabah and Sarawak as ‘illiterate barbarians’. You may want more supporters here, not detractors.

    Anyway, the so called exhibit A, all of your allegations had been debunked here in the past commentaries. VK Lingam (still not convinced that TDM had no control over people who wanted to use his name?), Ian Chin (even this judge’s credibility is at stake from the recent revelation), Morgan Stanley 2004 report (this report is not recent, which I have explained previously), and Petronas (they have published their accounts since early 90’s). Anyway, you purposely did not want to include the other side of the story and only hammering the one sided story ad nauseam.

    I notice your style of writing had changed. And your somewhat neutral stance had changed too. You could have inadvertly revealed who you are my good man. Anyway, all the best of luck to your leader. Maybe he is being framed. Maybe he is indeed what half of Malaysians think what he is. But one thing for sure, he is an idiot. Why? Because no smart man would employ somebody relatively new in a political party to be his special assistant without doing any background check. Correct?

    A so called ‘pewaris dairi merah’ is one of the most trusted position among DSAI’s circle. Why gave it to this boy? Plus, can we now see the picture of this boy taken with DSAI in some of the political campaigns since March 2008? It’s not nice for PKR to just show old pictures of this boy with the cabinet ministers. They should also show the more recent photos. Which I believe are being directed to be taken off from any alternative media.

    And please do not make any untrue disparaging remarks in your last paragraphs. Some ‘literate’ people might get offended coz they probably are not in the category you mentioned. Stop generalising things and tokk it as the truth Andipool. You sound like a politician yourself!

    Thanks Andipool. You should post this comment in your own blog. It is quite good. A fodder for the masses.

    P.S : DSAI is not a ‘small build’ man. Around 5′ 8″ I reckon. For a Malay, that’s an above average size. No? As it is, we shall wait for the latest news. Agree?

    Update (1 July): Andipool, you should have been clearer in telling me that the comment above is from Malaysia Today. No wonder I see the style of the writing is different from your usual style. Anyway, my reply still stand. And that reply is from someone who could have an education as high as the one who wrote that article in Malaysia Today🙂

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  17. JMD,

    Are you still implying that Anwar would have sexually assaulted the young man. Common lah, use your common sense, how can an old 60 plus with spinal problems assault a 23 old young, almost 6 footer, tough looking man. In situations like, it should be the other way round. But just too bad, since you are a mati mati supporter of the king fabricator–Mahathir Mohamad—accusing Anwar of a crime in a place that was non existent and changing the dates to suit their accusation. The drunkard Augustine Paul–who is famous for using the word “irrelevant”–managed to conspire with the conspirators to have without a single credible evidence. Now they are trying to repeat the same sham—but pls be reminded 5 states are already under the control of Pakatan Rakyat–with Kuala Lumpur also under PR. Negeri Sembilan would have also nearly fell to PR. Continue with the dastardly acts–in no time BN will be a thing of the past—TDM(if he has long life)Najib,Daim,Taib and all the robbers of the rakyat’s wealth will end up in Sungai Buloh.
    For your information, I work in a govt dept who have links with the universities. We do also have lawyers who seek our assistance in their course of work–and I do interact with them regarding national issues–almost all of them concurred that DSAI’s sodomy conviction was a conspiracy and a farce.

    JMD : Andipool, please read my latest article on this sodomy report. I never implied anything. I was confused why Anwar did not produce any alibis on his whereabouts which could easily beat this accusation. Just tell the press that he was not near the condo on Thursday 26th June 2008 and get some witnesses on that! Eg, Wan Azizah could say that his husband was with her the whole day or Azmin Ali could say he was with him the whole day in a meeting. If Anwar is on the right side, the truth will prevail. Why so much fuss? That was the point that I am making. Why create unnecessary attention? He wants to tarnish his name further by being instigator of public disaffection?

    Now listen here Andipool. You got it all wrong. I am not a mati mati supporter of TDM. I just do not believe that he fabricated the whole sodomy charges in 1998. That’s all. I have my reasons for this. But of course you are not willing to listen. Just read the 320 pages judgement paper available on the net. It’s hardly a product from anyone who is a ‘drunkard’. Please read it ya and come back with your own thoughts. SOme people would just simply accuse something like ‘no credible evidence’ or ‘a fabrication of evidence’ without even reading how and why the judge would come to the verdict. Again, please read them for the good of your own conscience. If the lawyers think that the conviction was farce, then that is their own opinion. Do not rely on 3rd party assessment before you make at least some cross referencing.

    Nevertheless, the lawyers did not say that TDM cooked up the allegations. Please remember what exactly happened in 1997 to 1998 regarding this matter. If you want to hear the story according to my version, I am more than willing to tell you. But if you do not want to have an open mind about this, then it’s okay too. I do not have to waste my time writing about this further. By the way, I’m amazed that you interacted will almost all of the thousands of lawyers in this country. Good job andipool. Continue your good work in the dept. Take care of our Malay students. Please ensure that they study hard and get good results. At least please ensure they can speak good English.

    Thanks again.

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  18. JMD,

    “MALAYSIA’S opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim yesterday said he had ‘all the evidence and alibis’ to prove his innocence against accusations that he had sexually assaulted a young party worker.”

    I am sure he has the alibis, but he is cautious–to avoid the polis from sabotaging or changing the date as they did the last time.

    As for the lawyers, it is not necessary to meet each and everyone of the lawyers to gauge their stance–but coincidentaly almost all of them echoed the same sentiment about DSAI’s sodomy trial–full of rubbish–the moment DSAI’s lawyers want to tender any evidence–the drunkard will immediately coughout the word “IRRELEVANT”–so if a judge does’nt allow relevant evidences then surely the judgement will be lopsided–so that’s how the drunkard has superceded more long serving and impartial judges to become the federal court judge—the reward for putting DSAI in prison.

    JMD : Oh my dear Andipool, when the judge said the evidence is irrelevant, then the evidence is irrelevant to the case at hand. The case that the judge was presiding was the abuse of power trial where DSAI asked the police top officer to stop investigating the police report made against him in 1997 and directing him to frighten Azizan and Umi Haiflda. Chris Fernando during the trials often submitted to the judge some ludicrous assertion that there was a conspiracy to topple his client via the sodomy charges, which at that time was irrelevant to the trial at hand. Please google the news at that time. I cannot find the relevant news which coincide with your opinion that ‘the judge doesn’t allow relevant evidences’. Sometimes, the mind will only believe what it wants to believe. Try google that trial and you will find nothing which would incrimate the judge to be lopsided. Anyway, that is only my opinion for I have read the written judgement of that trial. Have you read it?

    Your second paragraph is quite ludicrous. In the current context, the alleged crime was last occured last thursday, less than a week ago. Do you think Saiful could have mistaken the date? He would be the most galactically stupid person I would have ever known if he would state the wrong date. As for the 1998 trials, the date change was because the alleged incident occured in 1992. So I would give some reasonable doubt that Azizan could have mistaken the dates that happened 5 years before the police report was made (1997). Again, please read the written judgement. Anyway, by your own admission, you think Agustine Paul was promoted because he sent DSAI to jail for abuse of power. But then again, he was promoted by Pak Lah (not TDM) in 2005. A year after DSAI was released (2004). Is there a logic in what you are saying? Was Pak Lah so happy with Agustine Paul jailing Anwar which he then promoted him a year AFTER Anwar was released?

    And why would the police want to sabotage the case? From the news I read, Bukit Aman turned down Saiful’s plea to make a police report before he could find a more ‘friendly’ police station to submit one. If there is indeed a conspiracy, he should not be facing problems making a report.

    Another angle is, even if there is a tiny possibility that there was a conspiracy, why would Anwar be having a problem producing an alibi for every changing of dates? If he did not do it, then it would be no problem just to tell everyone about his alibi. He would appear to remain calm in this adversity because he is being truthful. Presently, from the news you watch and read, do you see him as a calm and under control? He seemed so agitated when there should not be anything to worry about. ‘Berani kerana benar’ and ‘Tuhan akan sentiasa melindungi orang yang teraniaya’. So they say.

    You know what I think? He was late in producing and revealing an alibi because he need time to collude with some people to be his witnesses. Massive coordination between the witnesses need to be done by him before the police could even interrogate anyone of them.

    But then again, hey! I wasn’t there. What would I know. And so do you.

    Again, thank you for reading my blog. Isn’t it nice to read something what other people really think about DSAI? Obviously some may worship him. Others may think he’s a fraud. The difference in opinion does not really matter anyway. What’s more important is the arguments put forth as therein lies the difference between fact and fallacy.

    BY THE WAY, SHOULDN’T YOU START COMMENTING THIS IN MY LATEST ARTICLE? YOUR COMMENT WOULD BE MORE RELEVANT THERE.

    Thank you and have a good day.

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  19. JMD,

    I am still disturbed by the fact that, this young, tall and tough guy could be overpowered by a 60+ man and sexually assaulted–all the friends whom I spoke to say Saiful is lying to the extreme. Even the Malaysiakini did a survey and more than 90% don’t believe Saiful’s story. Why is he so stupid and a blady fool, for him to see DSAI after the first assault and allow DSAI to commit the heinous crime repeatedly on him–at the first assault itself he should have smashed the old man—-so these are cerita dongeng. He could have easily avoided DSAI–this was the same with Azizan–repeatedly allowing DSAI to sodomise him–either he enjoyed that or cooking up a fantasy to get instant cash–after all he was just a driver–later suddenly he became a manager of a business. You seem to be insisting that Augustine got his promotion on merits and AAB is the one who promoted him. Hello the judges are not selected by the PM but just endorses the candidate selected by the CJ. And the CJ who promoted was implicated in the Lingam tape for corrupt practices. This CJ was the tool of TDM in fixing people–just simple as that.

    JMD : How on earth did you know that Pak Lah just endorses the name of candidate selected by the CJ? Is Pak Lah so weak that he could not think for himself at that time? Couldn’t he have any other candidates? Should people lay blame on him for endorsing this so called drunkard judge as the supreme court judge? Maybe he has other candidates in his mind? No? And why would Tun Fairuz promoted A. Paul just because of the DSAI case in 1999 (as you put it)? Tun Fairuz was not even involved in both cases in 1999! Any clues? Any more damning hypothetical answers? Anyway, on another angle, since you said judges are not selected by the PM but just endorses the candidate selected by the CJ, then why was TDM vilified by you in the Lingam case? It seems to you, Pak Lah will do no wrong. My point here is this, since you think TDM appointed judges according to his whim and fancy, how sure are you that Pak Lah have not done the same since 2003? How confident are you that Pak Lah doesn’t never done anything which will show any bias?

    As for the Saiful case, I am copypasting this comment of yours to the relevant article. My replies are there to see. In the future, please raise the issues in the comment section of the relevant article ya!

    Thanks andipool for understanding.

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  21. MasyaAllah, andipool kau ingat lelaki 60 tahun tak boleh ‘naik’ lagi ke? Naive ke apa ni? Mana pulak si Saiful ni ‘tough looking man’. He does not look tough at all to me, but good looking yes sir. AI pon dah mengaku ‘suka sama suka’. So what is he? Alangkan datok berumor 70 tahun boleh rogol cucu2. Orang tua umor 80 tahun kalau bersetubuh pon boleh ada anak kalau diizinkan Allah. Saya ada kenal manusia begini, umor sudah 61 tahun, masih lagi cabut bulu kening dan hu-ha sana kemari. Liwat atau zina masih juga berdosa dalam ugama Islam. Semoga Allah selamatkan negara Malaysia dan umat2 Islam di negara ini. Kepada umat2 Islam dinegara ini, banyak2 lah lakukan solat syukur betapa Allah berikan nikmat kepada penduduk2nya semoga kita tidak lalui seperti yang sudah berlaku di negara2 lain dimana Allah tarik semula rahmat dan nikmat. Allahu Akbar.
    I like your blog JMD, keep it up, it is a real change from other blogs, may Allah keep your intelligence and patience, insyaAllah. Amin.

    JMD : TQ dm. Appreciate dat u had read my blog.

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  22. PDRM dalam proses meningkatkan penggunaan komputer sepenuhnya dalam usaha memperbaiki kecekapannya memerangkap dan menindas penyampai maklumat yang berani dan ikhlas seperti Raja Petra Kamaruddin.

    Menurut Malaysia Today, bagi tujuan ini tiga syarikat telah disenarai pendek untuk membuat semua kerja-kerja berkaitan menaik-taraf system komputernya.

    Tiga syarikat tersebut ialah : Master Plan Consulting Sdn Bhd, System Protocol Information Sdn Bhd dan D. G. Kom Sdn Bhd. Walaubagaimanapun ketiga-tiga syarikat ini terikat dengan syarat mesti sub-kontrakkan kerja tersebut kepada Asiasoft (M) Sdn Bhd.

    Asiasoft (M) Sdn. Bhd. adalah milik Asiasoft (Singapore) Ptd. Ltd.

    Manakala Asiasoft (Singapore) Ptd. Ltd. adalah milik Asiasoft Global Pte Ltd.

    Dan Asiasoft Global Pte Ltd. adalah milik Top Image System Limited.

    Top Image Systems Ltd. ditubuhkan pada 1991 dan beribu pejabat di Tel Aviv, Israel.

    Mungkin inilah antara usaha UMNO untuk memajukan Bangsa Melayu. Mungkin inilah perjuangan Abdullah Badawi serta fahaman yang menyesatkan dalam Hadharinya. Mungkin ini juga yang sibuk diperjuangkan oleh pencacai-pencacai UMNO seantaro nusa. Kalau UMNO bukan agen Yahudi, maka apakah tujuan disebalik semua penyelewengan ini?

    Dimanakan para perjuang UMNO yang hebat beritorika? Dimanakah Belut Puaka yang ingin membeteras aktiviti rasuah dalam UMNO?. Atau mungkin saja Belut Puaka itu sedang seronok dan terlena meratah habuan yang diberikan Khairy kepadanya kerana sanggup menjadi pencacai dan baruanya.

    Apakah rakyat Malaysia masih ingin terus berdiam diri dan membiarkan kecelakaan yang dilakukan oleh UMNO dan kuncu-kuncunya?. Lupakah rakyat Malaysia kepada Khairy Jamaluddin dan Kalimullah yang jelas berpaksi kepada Singapura? Tidak ingatkah rakyat Malaysia bahasa Singapura adalah pengkalan Yahudi bagi rantau ini.

    Kalau masih ada yang ingin mempertahankan kononnya UMNO berjuang untuk Agama Islam, Bangsa Melayu dan Negara Malaysia, maka mereka adalah jelmaan manusia tetapi sebenarnya BINATANG. Jelas UMNO yang perjuangkan YAHUDI di Malaysia.

    JMD : Hi Andipool, ada beberapa persoalan di sini;

    a) Apakah jenis penaiktarafan yang disebut di atas? Boleh tolong terangkan? Ini kerana, saya juga takut untuk memblog selepas ini kerana saya juga mengetengahkan beberapa kepincangan di dalam pengurusan Umno dan BN di Malaysia. Tapi tak mengapa.. saya juga berani seperti RPK walaupun saya rasa saya lebih berani sedikit kerana saya tak takut untuk pergi ke mahkamah manakala RPK amat takut untuk di panggil oleh mahkamah kerana dia tahu dia tidak dapat menyediakan cukup bukti seperti apa yg ditulisnya.

    b) Saya dapati ada bukti yang tidak cukup di dalam artikel ini iaitu hubungan 3 syarikat tersebut dengan Asiasift Global. Apa bukti mengatakan yang Asiasoft mesti di subcon kan?

    c) Saya tidak kisah sangat dengan pertuduhan ‘komplot Yahudi’ ini kerana DSAI juga di tuduh sebagai agen Yahudi melalui penglibatan secara terus beliau dengan agen agen pro Yahudi. Jadi, saya tidak kisah sangat mengenai perkara ini.

    d) Ya KJ dan Pak Lah mesti bertanggungjawab di atas segala kepincangan di dalam sistem pengurusan Malaysia.

    Terima kasih.

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  23. The following is what Mufti Muhammad ibn al-Kawthari has to say about swearing on the Holy Quran

    Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states:“One must not take an oath by other than Allah Most High such as by the Prophet, by the Qur’an and by the Ka’ba.” (See: Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr, 3/712)Imam al-Mawsili (Allah have mercy on him) states:“And taking an oath by other than Allah Most High will not be considered to be an (valid) oath, such as taking an oath by the Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace), Qur’an and the Ka’ba.” (al-Ikhtiyar li Ta’lil al-Mukhtar, 2/280)Having said this, other scholars, looking at the fact that the Qur’an is also an attribute of Allah (in the manner explained in point number two), considered an oath taken by the Qur’an to be valid.Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him), after the statement quoted above said in his Durr:“Kamal (ibn al-Humam, the great Hanafi Mujtahid) said: “Let it be known that the taking of an oath by the Qur’an is something that has become customary, thus it would be considered a valid oath.”Allama Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) explained the above by stating:“This is based on the fact that the Qur’an is the Speech of Allah, thus it will be considered to be one of His attributes.” (Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr al-Mukhtar, 3/712)This is further supported by al-Marghinani in al-Hidaya, which Allama Ibn Abidin also quoted in his discussion. Imam al-Marghinani (Allah have mercy on him) states:“Whosoever took an oath by other than Allah Most High will not be considered to have taken a (valid) oath, for the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Whosoever takes an oath, must take it by Allah or remain quite.” Similarly, if one took an oath by the Qur’an (m, in that it will be invalid), for it is not customary.” (al-Hidaya, 2/479)

    Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam adds….” I would like to sum up the aspect of taking an oath by the Qur’an in the following points:a) Taking an oath by the Qur’an is detested; rather taking oaths in general (even by Allah) is disliked (See: al-Ikhtiyar, 2/274), thus one should avoid making a habit of taking oaths. It should only be resorted to at the time of actual need; and also, taking an oath by the Qur’an should be avoided.b) If one was to raise the Qur’an in ones hand without actually taking an oath, then this would not be considered to be a valid oath, thus if one did not adhere to it, there will be no expiation (kaffara), although one should keep one’s promises.c) If one took an oath by the Speech of Allah Most High (kalam Allah), then, without doubt, this will be a valid oath, thus if breached, an expiation (kaffara) will be necessary.d) If one took an oath by the Qur’an, or by the Mushaf, then this also will be valid oath.e) If one lifted the Qur’an in ones hand or placed the hands on the Qur’an and then took an oath by it, then in such a case, some scholars are of the view that, it will not be a valid oath. The reason being is that, this is referring to the created Qur’an which is not the attribute of Allah. However, many scholars even considered this to be an oath, especially when the lay people (awam) are unaware of the difference. Thus, an oath will be valid in this case also. Ahsan al-Fatawa, 5/488 & Imdad al-Ahkam, 3/38)f) If one clearly took an oath by the printed Qur’an by lifting the Qur’an and saying: “I take an oath by this Qur’an which is before me” then it may well not be regarded as an oath, thus in case of violation, a Kaffara will not be necessary”.

    JMD : Once again Andipool, I would like to remind you to post comments in the relevant article. Anyway, please click here : http://www.wynnechambers.co.uk/pdf/Swearing_an_Oath.pdf for your reading pleasure.

    There are many views on the ways to swear in the name of Allah. To me, with regards to all views presented, Saiful’s oath is valid as he said the proper incantation. Wouldn’t you say so? Bear in mind, he did not swear on the holy Quran but had actually swore on Allah’s name. http://margeemar.blogspot.com/2008/08/saiful-you-cant-simply-swear-on-holy.html was totally off teh mark. Please read the readers comments in my latest article.

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  24. wow JMD..really respect u for persevering with andipool.
    i wouldn’t have had the patience.
    everyone have their own point of view, just don’t shove it
    in other people’s throats.

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  25. The Andipool-Jebat blogo-war seems to take a life of its own and it’s very entertaining as well as informative. I would like to put my 2 sens’ worth later, but before that let me highlight certain things for visitors of these pages so that they can understand the true nature and worth of these two cyber warriors.

    Firstly I must greatly commend JMD for not only putting up good defenses and providing factual analysis of issues, but also for managing his blogspace in a very orderly and civilized manner. Raja Petra’s Malaysia-Today pales in comparison: his is a rathole of unwarranted cursings and frenetic fanaticism. People trying to get informed views from his pages are mostly turned off by the ravings and swearing of his most unprofessional commenters. There, RPK waived the rules, and thus name calling, swearing, cursing and stereotyping rule the waves. There, our Deputy Prime Minister is called Najis (faeces) and The Prime Minister is called Bodohwi. Little do the malays who join in foray of these name calling realize that these putrid profanities are not really directed to the two leaders in question but quiescently and inherently to his own race; cleverly camouflaged in some amorphous shibboleth of Justice, Freedom and Equality. But then, isn’t this very same race a living epitome of those who win the soraks but gadai the negeri? What could perhaps be the potential for a truly informative, alternative digital journal turns out to be a super digital tabloid for non-intellectual zealots in frenzy. These ravers sometimes lack the point and ability to put factual arguments but excel in maledictory gabs. In short, you want to be a Rebel without a CLAUSE? Join Malaysia Today.

    Dissent? Views of Dissent? Nope. Not allowed in Malaysia Today. Opposing-viewed contributers have been known to be censored, edited and outrightly denied. They have this little (+) or (-) sign at the end of each letter-to-the-editor where other readers can vote. Lots of pluses mean you are accepted in Petra’s College of Hate. The more minus you get means you are probably an unwanted stalwart of non-dissenting souls, and THAT’S a sin in Malaysia Today. Sorry, Jebat. Factual writings like yours do not have a chance to survive there. You’ll get so many minuses you’d end up in stitches. In Petra’s like-minded mindspace, supporting contributors and visitors deliriously have a false sense of Ultimate Right, calling themselves “the Rakyat” when, of course, we all know better, don’t we?

    And having said that, I must equally pen down my admiration for Andipool. His persistence in getting his viewpoints across (albeit sometimes being just cut-and-paste pizza-pieces from Malaysia-Today—and that’s alright too anyway) in a website that’s believed to be slightly off-center from the ruling government’s viewpoints is not only brave but commendable, don’t you think folks? Unlike Malaysia today, his views are allowed, read, discussed, refuted nevertheless, but still welcome. I would strongly deplore any hint at all that views like his are unwelcome here. For how else would we know what other people have in mind? And to attack him unnecessarily or resorting to low-grade name calling would de-class the purport and dignity of a page like these. I am not a malfeasant for saying this, am I? I hope not. I do hope too that Jebat’s insistence that Andipool should have his own blogspace is not misconstrued as “menghalau” here. Frankly, I am amazed at both Andipool and Jebat: where does the former get his energy and drive to write indefatigably, and where does the latter get his TIME to manage such an intensely magnifient blogspace.

    Keep up the good works. I will post my salient viewpoints later.

    Apocryphalist

    JMD : Thank you for the comment. Andipool’s comments are very much welcome here if they are rational, not time wasting and do not filled with personal anguish. If he thinks he has been wronged, then he should just take it up to Tun himself. Or the labour department. Here, we discuss, the pro and cons of an issue which a particular article is highlighting. But how can we argue about a certain issue if personal matters are thrown into the discussion? Quite defeating the purpose. For instance, everyone have personal problems, career wise of family wise. If I want to rant about my personal problems affecting my livelihood during Anwar’s days as the Minister of Finance, then it will be a long read indeed for the visitors here. Similarly, to resort to name calling like Tun Mamak or Anwar Al Jub*** will not get anyone anywhere. And yes, I do not have much time to manage this blog but nevertheless, I will find the time for it. If there is still an ounce of passion in this blood to write on stuff that really entices me, then I will carry on…🙂

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  26. Dear Jebat,

    Reading Apocryphalist comment makes me want to share this article pertaining to Raja Petra and Malaysia Today. Therefore, to share with all I will just cut and paste for easy reading. Therefore, JMD please forgive me for using a lot of your space. It is quite long in length . It is from Deminegara blog

    JMD : Click the link here

    Sorry mate, need to do this as it was far too long to be put in the comments section and was directed into the spam section. Luckily I had traced it and moved it here. But yes, that blog produced a really interesting and very analytical view on RPK and Malaysia Today which I wholeheartedly agree.

    But of course, not all Pakatan Rakyat supporters agree with that analysis. To them, it is okay and rightful for them to criticise everyone under the sky, especially when they are from Barisan Nasional. But if the BN supporters or anyone who criticizes Pakatan Rakyat especially Anwar, then all hell will break loose and they will condemn any dissenting views to hell. Such is the mindset of a purely animalistic behaviour.

    Please read here for more revelation : http://jedyoong.com/?p=942

    Thank you.

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