The headline above summarises the article which Raja Petra had wrote a couple of weeks earlier.
Only Malays are racists
Raja Petra Kamarudin
So now the Indians are at it again, talking about Indian rights and Indian interests and whatnot. And with P. Waytha Moorthy’s resignation from the government I can anticipate a tug-of-war between MIC and Hindraf as to who is more Indian than the other. Hence MIC and the opposition will be out-bidding each other to convince the Indians that they have more to offer the Indians if the Indians vote for them in the Kajang by-election on 23rd March 2014.
And this is currently going on in the Kajang by-election campaign although campaigning should not start until Nomination Day. MCA and DAP are out-shouting each other as to who is more Chinese and who can better serve Chinese interests and fight for Chinese rights. And the United Chinese Schools Committee Association of Malaysia or Dong Zong is playing one against the other to see who is able to offer the Chinese a better deal.
What I am not too clear about is, what ‘rights’ are they are talking about? The right to vote? The right to citizenship? The right to converse in your mother-tongue? The Chinese and Indians talk as if they have been denied certain rights. But they never really clarify what rights they have been denied. Hence it sounds like mere rhetoric without substance.
At this point, some of you are probably going to say: what about the right of Christians to use Allah in the Malay Bible? Okay, that is one matter, although we can always argue that since it is the law that forbids this are you then saying that the Christians are being denied their right to break the law? Is this not a silly right to fight for, the right to break the law?
The solution to this is not to demand the right to break the law but instead demand that this ‘bad’ law be repealed. And Pakatan Rakyat, with 44 seats in the Selangor State Assembly, has the legal power to repeal this law. Then Christians can legally use Allah in the Malay Bible and they no longer need to demand the right to break the law.
So do that! Repeal that ‘offensive’ law! And this is the job of Pakatan Rakyat, not the job of Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak since this is a Selangor law and not a Federal law.
The Indians are asking for the sky and the moon for their votes (Indians make up 10% of the Kajang electorate). The Chinese, who make up 40% of the voters, are doing the same.
In fact, they have already started. The Dong Zong chairman, Yap Sin Tian, said he hopes that “as the by-election is looming”, Anwar and the Selangor state government could help to resolve the issue involving the donation of a 100-acre campus land in Sepang to New Era University College which has been delayed for 14-years.
Yap also hopes that Anwar would allocate at least five acres of Selangor state land for the reinstatement of the Yu Hua Chinese secondary school, and ensure that higher education institutions under the Selangor state government would recognise the Unified Examination Certificate (UEC) of Malaysian Independent Chinese secondary schools.
So it is going to be about how much you can give me. Pay me what I want and you get my vote. Don’t pay me what I want and I will vote for the other side — or if the other side can pay me more then they will get my vote.
If the Malays tell Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat the same thing, the non-Malays will say all sorts of nasty things about the Malays. The Malays are corrupted, the Malays are crooked, the Malays can be bought, and whatnot. But it is okay if the Chinese are Indians demand all sorts of goodies as gratuity to support those who are contesting the Kajang by-election.
The Chinese and Indians are not racists. The Chinese and Indians are just fighting for their rights and interests. Sure, and if the Malays also fight for their rights and interests, the Malays are racists. The Chinese and Indians can do this. The Malays cannot. I wonder if this has anything to do with the 10,000 years of Indian civilisation and the 5,000 years of Chinese civilisation?
In the effort to be truly Malaysian, the chinese must not resort in this kind of divisive and racist tactic as propagated by Dong Zong. Its intention to dangle their vote in return for the bribe Anwar Ibrahim should give them in Kajang is indeed unfortunate and devoid of any moral values. For a start, the 100 acre land they requested is not even in Kajang!
Can’t the average Malaysian see that this tactic of blackmailing politicians is just too atrocious and certainly, given that it is racist and divisive in nature, Dong Zong has certainly uncovered their wicked modus operandi.
Raja Petra is correct in reminding these racist chinese of what they have become. If Dong Zong has its way, Malaysia will be truly divided and very much impossible to stand united in harmony.
Although many of these group of chinese are shouting that they had been treated unfairly for the past 56 years, Raja Petra had put them in place and revealed their hypocrisy.
Playing the victim has always been the ammunition for DAP and Dong Zong and in recent years, this ammunition is sadly, being used by the chinese population at large. Perhaps as a perspective, we should ask these questions:
How many chinese got a place in public universities and received government scholarships since we achieved independence?
Zero? One hundred? Ten thousand? One million? Ten million? Where are they now? And why are they keeping quiet and not defending government’s policy?
One of the main provocateurs of Malaysian politics, who would provoke people and then play innocent – Lim Kit Siang has crossed the Rubicon and disrespecting one of the muslims’ rites which is the Friday sermon. Lim Kit Siang had lambasted a friday sermon which had mentioned a verse of the Quran, as the causes of public disharmony between races.
The Quranic verse (Al Baqarah: 120) said;
Orang-orang Yahudi dan Nasrani tidak sekali-kali akan bersetuju atau suka kepadamu (wahai Muhammad) sehingga engkau menurut ugama mereka (yang telah terpesong itu). Katakanlah (kepada mereka): “Sesungguhnya petunjuk Allah (ugama Islam itulah petunjuk yang benar”. Dan demi sesungguhnya jika engkau menurut kehendak hawa nafsu mereka sesudah datangnya (wahyu yang memberi) pengetahuan kepadamu (tentang kebenaran), maka tiadalah engkau akan peroleh dari Allah (sesuatupun) yang dapat mengawal dan memberi pertolongan kepada mu.
Apparently just now there was a live forum at Kelab Bangsar attended by Rafizi Ramli as one of it’s panellist.
What was said were telecasted via tweets by @R_Bangsar_Utama as shown below.
It is amazing that the tussle over state political power between Azmin Ali and Khalid Ibrahim was pathetically been diverted by Rafizi Ramli as a scheme to rein in the “racist” strategy propagated by Umno at national level..
..and in his tears he asked people to punish PKR should they feel their Kajang Move was just a scheme to pacify the power struggle in PKR.
There is an easier way.
How about we challenge Rafizi Ramli and his group of PKR schemers and power hungry con men, not to put any PKR candidates in the coming Kajang by-election.
That way, people do not have to punish PKR and PKR if they are sincere, do not even have to take part, because they had triggered this fiasco and it is only befitting that they stay away from it.
This challenge will end till 12pm 31st January 2014 GMT +8.
If PKR do not announce their withdrawal from this by-election, then all sundry will know that Rafizi Ramli only shed crocodile tears and their pursuit for power is mainly individualistic and selfish. Centred only on one man and Rafizi Ramli as the loyal stooge.
It is sad that once long ago, Rafizi Ramli was thought of as a principled and honest man.
Dear Lim Kit Siang and your heir apparent Lim Guan Eng,
Both of you had always shouted to Malaysian public that MCA is subservient to Umno in Barisan Nasional.
As the result, the chinese in Malaysia stopped supporting MCA in every general election since 2008.
But the latest fiasco pertaining the state assembly seat in Kajang proved one thing.
That your DAP and your partner in crime over hudud and ‘Allah’ issue – PAS, are very much subservient to PKR.
We would’ve guessed this will make your supporters very worried just because the fact that DAP and PAS seemed to have lost any semblance of political prowess although DAP and PAS have greater number of seats than PKR in the Selangor state assembly (now stood at 15, 15 and 13 respectively).
The usual vocal running dogs like Tony Pua, Hannah Yeoh, Teresa Kok and Ong Kian Ming are unusually quiet, in fact very timid in their reaction to this scheme concocted by an MP newbie Rafizi Ramli of PKR (or so he claimed).
Even Karpal ‘Anwar Ibrahim Mesti Bertaubat’ Singh is awfully quiet.
What happened? Is there a party which is more equal than others in this triad called Pakatan Rakyat? And that PKR rules the nest with impunity and as it pleases?
Your son Lim Guan Eng also said said he was not consulted over this matter in Selangor.
A matter so huge as in the post of Menteri Besar of Selangor and DAP as the senior partner was not even consulted!
My oh my.
It’s high time that both of you should apologise to MCA for all the allegations and unfair criticisms you had hurled towards MCA all these years.
Otherwise, both of you should not use the word ‘consensus’, ‘tolerance’, ‘unity’ and ‘partnership’ in any of your vocabulary because clearly, they do not exist in Pakatan Rakyat.
Perhaps, the more familiar words such as ‘dictatorship’, ‘gag order’, ‘power crazy’ and ‘rule by fear’ would be more suitable for you.
Have a great day everyone.
This blog has always been keen and passionate about public transportation for the longest time.
What Malaysia needs is a world class public transportation system which can connect people efficiently, more so in the Klang Valley. The acute problem in traffic, compounded by increasing number of cars have made public transportation one of the key NKRA of Najib’s administration.
As such, the effort to upgrade the public transportation (buses, LRT, MRT, monorail etc) is paramount to alleviate the choking problem faced by the people in the capital city. Time lost by the people stuck in traffic jams costs money and opportunity loss.
Therefore, we find it vital that the public transportation especially the LRT and MRT must be the impetus in attracting the people to use public transportation.
But the news we heard today is both disappointing and alarming. It seems the Malaysian Indian Congress (MIC) is up in arms against the government in providing a better service for the general public.
PETALING JAYA: A LRT extension construction company is unhappy that its contractors were prevented from carrying out their work, by a group of MIC members and parents from Castlefield Tamil School.
Prasarana Negara Berhad (Prasarana) said it is extremely disappointed that efforts to build an LRT Line Extension Project (LEP) have been hindered by reckless actions of these individuals.
They also claimed that the individuals, who had formed a blockade in front of the school yesterday, scuffled with auxiliary policemen from the company, resulting in a senior officer being injured.
This is despite Prasarana obtaining an injunction to enter part of the school compound and informing the school authorities of the planned work to be undertaken.
“This is the third time that we have made effort to enter the site. We have stated repeatedly that we will ensure minimum interruption to the children’s studies while construction of the LEP is underway,” said Prasarana’s group director of the project development division, Zulkifli Md Yusoff.
“We are dedicated to ensuring that the well-being of the schoolchildren and their teachers are not compromised during this period. Apart from enhancing the school’s facilities, we would also ensure the safety of the children and public,” he added.
Yesterday, around 60 MIC Youth members and the parents led by former MIC Youth Chief T Mohan prevented Prasarana’s constructors from entering the school. They also urged Prasarana to sign an agreement before starting the extension work.
No need for school to be relocated
It is learnt the school administration had passed a memorandum to Prasarana for a mutual agreement where it wants the company to provide RM20 million to build a new school on six-acre plot given by Selangor state government.
However, Prasarana stressed that it is going to occupy only 0.47 acres of 2.8 acres of the school compound and upon completion of the project, the five LRT piers will only occupy 20 metres of space.
“It is important for the public to understand that LEP can coexist with the school harmoniously and there is no need for the school to be relocated for this project to commence,” said Zulkifly.
“Moreover, the Education ministry has set a requirement that 100% approval from all parents must be obtained for the relocation. But, a group of 80 parents came out to voice their disagreement,” he added.
“Prasarana will build sound-proof barriers, improve the school’s facilities, including installing air-con units in classrooms and improve the landscape by planting trees and foliage as a gesture of goodwill.
“There are many benefits to consider, the key of which is improved transport convenience for the students and surrounding residents to the greater LRT network in Klang Valley,” he said.
The 17.7km LRT extension of the Ampang line under the National Key Result Area (NKRA) would directly benefit residents in Petaling, Bandar Kinrara, Puchong and Putra Heights.
It is learnt that a 180-metre stretch passes the edge of the Castlefield school, running parallel to the Puchong Damansara Higway (LDP) and the construction of the five pillars.
MIC should be held responsible for this transgression as its unruly members are working against the government’s effort to vitalise the LRT service. Furthermore, it seems the school board of Castlefield are getting more and more greedy when all effort was given by the government to ease any hardship which may be borne by the school (giving airconds, building a hall and school facilities etc) and even throwing away RM20 million of taxpayers money just to build another school!
RM20 million of our money to be used just because of a 0.47 acres of space? The school board must be out of their mind!
God forbid if they would also want to control that RM20 million and pick their own contractors themselves!
On top of that, MIC and the school board are knowingly defying a court order. In a civilised country such as Malaysia, defying a court order will have severe repercussions. Will the leadership of MIC take responsibility over the action of their members?
All this stupidity by working against the public’s wellbeing should stop.
Castlefield Tamil School is not the first school to have a train line adjacent to it and nor will it be the last. In Malaysia, they are many schools which have similar scenario and they pose no problems for the students.
As a matter of fact, according to this report, there are several LRT lines which has been built near schools, such as:
- Sekolah Methodist Wesley, Sentul, KL
- SRJK (T) Appar, Jalan Merpati, KL
- SRJK (C) Chong Kwok, Jalan Merpati, KL
- SK (L) Jalan Batu, KL
The ball is in MIC’s court. Please get a clearer picture from both sides of the affected party. Do not be swayed by petty politics to the detriment of greater good.
As for the greedy school board, enough is enough.
This article below is taken from the blog Empire Strikes Back:
Lim Kit Siang wrote this in his blog:
The Empire Strikes Back – and the plot for a putsch by reactionary anti-democratic forces thickens with the call for a return of Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad to Putrajaya.
The blog by former Information Minister and one of Mahathir’s top propaganda minions, Tan Sri Zainuddin Maidin, for the return of Mahathir to Putrajaya to help the Barisan Nasional federal government “tackle raging racial, religious and economic issues” is not only a vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak but marks a new stage in the conspiracy and plot by reactionary anti-democratic forces in UMNO and the Barisan Nasional government for a putsch.
Lim Kit Siang’s reference to the Blog Empire Strikes Back (http://www.empirestrikesback.net/) and that this move is aimed at bringing Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad back into the government is a distraction from the main issue.
Empire Strikes Back has been instrumental in exposing the wrongdoings of DAP, in particular regarding the December 2012 party election and the September 2013 party re-election, both of which have violated not only the rules of the RoS but also the party’s own rules.
The fact that the RoS is taking action against DAP is because of more than a dozen complaint letters which the party’s own members and leaders sent to the RoS.
The complaints that the RoS received are as follows:
1. Inadequate notice period (which should have been 10 weeks, as what Karpal Singh himself admitted).
2. The 851 delegates who were absent or not invited to the re-election when they were eligible to attend and vote at the meeting.
3. The 985 instead of 865 branches that were involved in the re-election.
4. The delegates’ list of 15th December 2012 was not used, as they should have.
5. The proper notice of the meeting was not issued.
6. The election was not transparent.
7. Suspected elements of fraud.
8. Suspicious election results.
9. Manipulation of votes.
Lim Kit Siang should address these issues and explain how this happened and why nothing has been done to correct these violations in spite of repeated requests by the RoS.
DAP is trying to play the victim in this tussle with the RoS although from the admissions of the party’s own members and leaders DAP is actually the aggressor that not only violated the law but is stubbornly refusing to correct these transgressions.
Is DAP purposely inviting action from the RoS so that it can play the sympathy card and pretend that it is the victim of persecution and injustice?
This is more important to be answered than this fairy tale that there is a move to bring back Tun Dr. Mahathir to Putrajaya.
The curious case of (the maybe) mad grab for political power in Sarawak (and perhaps Sabah, too)
By Ruhayat X
I didn’t want to say anything about the Allah issue since there are too many idiots on both sides as it is. But then the Klang church decided to conduct their BM services using Allah, but not their Tamil and English ones. I found that curious. And enlightening.
Because the word for God in Tamil is not Allah?
News flash: neither is it in Malay.
A question of motives
I question the motive and the timing. I will argue that the motive is dictating the timing, as we will see later. For now:
The argument that has become a familiar refrain is that the Christian natives of Sabah, Sarawak and Indonesia have been using Allah to refer to God for generations. Well, then, I’m sorry to say, but for those very generations, they have been terribly misled by their shepherds.
To bow to Allah is like bowing to Krishna. Both heretical gods to Christians.
Or as a Christian commenter to a blog put it:
“Allah is not simply the Arabic word for “god” – the word Allah in pre-Islamic times referred to the Moon God in the Arabic pantheon of gods. To suggest that Jews insert “Allah” instead of the words which we do use (HASHEM, etc.) is blasphemy in and of itself. We might as well use the word Zeus or Shiva! (…) His name is not, by any stretch of the imagination, “Allah”.”
It seems the bibles should indeed be amended to reflect the truth, yes, but that truth is not what they might think it is.
When Allah is not god
Perhaps a brief appreciation of semiotics and etymology?
In England, Hoover is a brand that has become so ubiquitous it is sometimes used as hoover – small h – as a noun to mean vacuum cleaners, or a verb (to hoover) to mean vacuuming. Here, Colgate became the same. Malay to child: “Gi kedai beli colgate skek” – meaning, any toothpaste will do, not just Colgate.
The Malays will sometimes say Tuhan when what they mean is Allah. “Tuhan je yang tahu” – in their hearts, they think of Allah.
But it is NEVER used the other way. The Malays would never use Allah as a catch-all for Tuhan. I have never heard a single Malay say, “Orang Buddha pun ada Allah. Allah dalam agama Buddha kata…” Never.
So I said, the Christian natives have been badly led astray. Lead them back to the straight path. Teach them: it’s Tuhan, not Allah.
An Arabic God, then?
You may then want to argue about the Arab etymology of the noun Al-Lah. The God. A seemingly generic term. So you want to transfer the language specific to the usage in one community, into quite a foreign context, thinking the same meaning ought to apply. How colonial.
But it doesn’t matter – you are on the side of the righteous. So you suddenly champion the voice of a renowned international Muslim cleric, who says Allah is a universal entity and all humanity can use his name. Fair enough. But my advice then is this: if you wish to take the words of clerics from foreign realms, than take the whole of their decrees, not only whenever it suits you.
Take what they say about the universal usage of Allah if you must, but don’t reject their words once they start imposing syariah on you. Cherry-picking to suit arguments ain’t the traits of a learned person.
But another big but
We borrow again from a Christian source to share with you this revelation: that Allah is not the generic term for God. Viz:
“In summary, ArabBible uses the definite, common noun, “al-ilaah” to refer to God, rather than the Islamic proper noun, “Allah”. We believe this is based on good Biblical and linguistic precedents.
Yet know that in Islam the different realms have traditionally been governed by indigenous authorities who have autonomous power. That’s why our laws have some variations, to take into account the special needs and traditions of a given people and their environment.
Thus, without denying the authority of Yusuf Qardawi, I stand by argument that the term “Allah” has specific meaning to the Malays different than in the Middle Eastern context. We have Allah, and we have Tuhan. Whereas to the Arabs, Muslim or otherwise, Allah is Tuhan is Allah.
Educate yourself a little. Read the Quran and see what characteristics this Allah – who calls himself such – ascribes himself. And then know what the Malays mean when they say “Allah”.
Christians who deny Allah
We’ve already had the strange phenomenon of non-Muslims suddenly championing a Muslim cleric to state the case for Allah. You realise it works just as well the other way around, too, right?
“The names of Allah reveal him as a distinct entity. Likewise, the names of the God of Israel, reveal Him as a distinct entity. The conclusion is that the two beings do not agree in their names and therefore do not agree in their personalities, purposes, character, attributes or essence.
–2008 Hannah Henderson
Hannah Henderson is an ordained minister and writer for Heavenly Manna.”
And I did say, didn’t I, that if you use Allah instead of Tuhan, your akidah sudah terpesong. This is from another Christian personality:
““Allah is an extremely powerful demon. He is a demon God. What Muslims are worshiping is actually a demon. They think they are worshiping God, they’re deceived, they’ve been fooled, so I don’t want to be hard on them, the Muslims have been fooled, they’ve been lied to, they’ve been deceived, they think they are worshiping the true God but they are worshiping a demon-god, this is according to the New Testament.”
See? Now set ‘em back on the right path, Good Paderi Andrew, saviour of Christian souls!
And Allah for all…
While he’s on his crusade, we’re sure Paderi Andrew will sooner or later demand changes to both the Rukunegara and Negaraku, too. Yes?
Kepercayaan kepada Allah?
Rahmat bahgia, Allah kurniakan?
I will, however, accept the universal usage of Allah once the Vatican starts using it to refer the true God. Allah only for BM and Iban speakers? That’s hardly universal.
You know, if the Klang church had conducted services in all languages using the single term “Allah”, we wouldn’t even need to have this discussion.
It’s even stranger because a book store near my place plays Islamic ceramahs in Tamil all the time and guess what, they use Allah every time. So Allah exists in Tamil. Just not in church. And this is “universal”. Uhuh. Now we have to question the motive. Now we ask, wait, hang on a sec, what’s really going on?
The question of why
Christian natives in Sabah and Sarawak have been using Allah for ages with no big drama, nor does it raise even an eyebrow of their Muslim or other fellow citizens. So why now? And why such vehement insistence to extend its use on the Peninsula? For the sake of migrant Borneans? But they have been migrant here in drives for ages, too!
I can’t speak for all the Malay Muslims out here but frankly, I don’t like the stink of the motives. I don’t think he is sincere in wanting to use the “universal term” of Allah. I do think our pastor is dabbling in some pretty unChristian behaviour here.
So far there has been no big reaction from Putrajaya other than “Keep Calm And Remain Sane”. But whatever I might think of the Ah Jib Gor administration, I think he knows that the damage control he needs to do is not here in Semenanjung. But over there in Sarawak, and Sabah.
Because when you reflect on it to its logical conclusion – why is this happening = who profits the most out of it? – this is what the whole Allah campaign seems to be really about:
It hides the wedge of a knife into the BN honeypots of East Malaysia.
To risk disunity to wrest power, now that takes some special kind of crazy, don’t you agree.
How to fiddle in Rome
The tragedy is that could it be that Muslims are being pitted against Christians ostensibly so that some people could shake Sarawak, and maybe Sabah, and take power at the next General Election? If so, see what some people would do just to come to power.
At the Tuol Sleng in Phnom Penh I first observed, how evil could be so mundane. A torture prison set up in the ordinary precincts of a school. Can you imagine? It’s hard to as you stroll through the leafy walkway outside. It’s just a school. Until you see the rows and rows of faded black and white photos of the men, women and children who had been “processed” through it.
This is true also of Machiavellian politics. They make you think of some grand agenda, a clash of civilisations, something romantic.
But in the centre of it lies something so mundane: a simple political power play.
It is tiring to educate people on the issue of “kalimah Allah”. And it is even more exhausting to think that we have to explain to certain group of muslims on why the word ‘Allah’ should not be used by christians here.
Muslims in general, if they had known the real reason on why here in Malaysia it is offensive for christians to use it, they should not be supporting a church in Selangor who remained recalcitrant and arrogant in continuing the use of the word Allah in their hymns and masses.
Even people like Marina Mahathir and her like minded muslims friends are too ignorant and could not fathom the reason on why christians here in Malaysia should not use the word Allah in the face of the majority of Malaysians. And who are the majority of Malaysians? The muslims of course.
So here is the answer from a renown scholar by the name Dr. Zakir Naik. The answer gets interesting after the 2.30 minute mark. This is 9 minute video in which the muslims and the christians should watch:
Basically, what Dr Zakir is saying, christians can use the word Allah – but if you associate Allah (the one True God) with Jesus Christ or the Trinity, then you are ‘kufur’. Why would us muslims want to permit ourselves to become kufur just like the christians?
Why would Marina Mahathir, who worships Allah S.W.T. whereby Allah that she worships does not have a son, and certainly have got nothing to do with the Holy Spirit, is crying on top of her lungs to defend the christians on their right to equate Allah with Jesus, or Allah with the Holy Spirit?
Now this is why it is offensive for muslims (except for some muslim politicians and the more liberal muslims) to see the christians using the word Allah in their christian and sermons.
Those liberal muslims are so naive in their freedom of speech and religion of other people they forgot what effect this will have on muslims here.
The christians in Malaysia especially in Selangor have never used the word Allah in any of their prayers before. We at this blog have never met any of our christian friends who had prayed to Allah all this while. And apparently, not all christian churches in Malaysia agreed to use the word Allah in their mass. To them, Allah as a God is a different concept altogether from their own understanding of God – Yahweh, Jesus Christ etc.
If you are christian and reading this, do you use Allah in any of your prayers? Unless of course you are that small part of East Malaysians who actually used the word Allah in their bibles over there. But that is another matter which will be discussed later below.
But first, what is the agenda of this one Father Lawrence Andrew who insisted that christians in Selangor must be given the right to use the word Allah? Why is he so insensitive to jeopardise the harmonious relationship between muslims and christians over here? Christianity teaches blatant disregard towards tolerance and
If Father Lawrence himself never prayed to Allah all these years, it will be hypocritical for him to start now. It does not matter if he lamely stated that just recently, his flock has many East Malaysians now. Is he saying that being tolerant towards the sensitivities of muslims in Selangor takes a back seat over the need of much smaller community?
There should be give and take when looking at the bigger picture.
The other problem besides the muslims giving permission for other people to equate Allah towards something the He is not (syirik), is the potential fraud and subterfuge that comes with the use of Allah in Christianity.
This was somewhat shown in one of the previous article “Worshiping Jesus in Islam”. This time, the covert Christian evangelicals and their tactics can even be read openly in their portals such as the article “Son and The Crescent” in the Christian Today portal, as well as in the article “Case for God“. The links provided in latter has examples on the proselytisation of muslims into christians.
The evangelicals use tactics which they term as Conceptualisation and Localisation when preaching christianity to muslims. They use terms and jargons familiar with the muslims in the effort to convert them. To cut the story short, that is the reason why the malay bibles exist today with the word ‘Allah’ transcribed into them instead of the word ‘Tuhan’ which is a more logical translation for God.
Ultimately, the christians in East Malaysia during the British era was taught the bible using the bibles from Indonesia and this is what the Father Lawrence and Marina Mahathir is frighting today – that the christians in East Malaysia have used the word Allah in their bibles for centuries, which incidentally, this argument is based on the wrong facts and entirely founded on the grounds of subterfuge propagated by the christian missionaries a couple of centuries ago. How unfortunate.
Below is the video by christians, for the christians on how they covertly change their proselytisation technique to suit every culture they come across. What these evangelicals want it to spread Christianity and Jesus Christ around the world.
This deception and double-dealing is something that is real which muslims must be wary about. We have enough agitators which want nothing more than to see chaos and racial upheaval in Malaysia so that they can benefit from it one way or another. Does Father Lawrence want to see this happen by remaining stubborn and wilfully defiant?
Even an imam (Imam Muhammad Musri) from in the USA recently wrote something in Huffington Post recently. Although he is quite ignorant in his article especially pertaining to the real happenings here in Malaysia, he did mention about the stealth of christians in trying to proselytise muslims:
His only ignorance is when he thought the word ‘Allah’ is the right term for ‘God’ among Malaysians. Which is definitely not true. The right term for God is Tuhan. For Malaysians, Allah is an arabic word recognised only by muslims as God.
But as Muhammad Musri said above, fraud (stealth proselytisation) deserves appropriate penalties (which obviously is stated in our own Constitution) and it is up to the muslims to defend themselves against these tricksters.
As a conclusion, there are two fronts on why the muslims are against the word ‘Allah’ being used by the Christians:
1) they do not want to be an accomplice when some people equate Allah for something He is not, and;
2) the element of trickery evidenced by the centuries of proselytisation methods among the evangelicals towards the unsuspecting muslims.
If you are a muslim and your iman is strong, congratulations. But there are many muslims out there who are ignorant and not strong enough to counter the onslaught from some christian missionaries whose sole objective is to bring the muslims to embrace christianity.
If you have not listened to what Dr Zakir Naik said in the video above, please do so. It will give you some comprehension on the subject. And please watch the second too. Thank you.
If anyone of the readers here haven’t read the Confessions of an Economic Hitman book, here is a Youtube video where the author summarily describes the content of the book in about 11 minutes.
Locally, our own economy is floundering.
None of the great economic consultants employed by the Prime Minister are able to find the right formula to revitalise the local economy yet. Today, the blogger Darah Tuah wrote a snapshot on the economic position of this country right now particularly the economic relationship between the bumiputera and the non-bumiputera. The blogger gave recommendations as well.
Maybe PEMANDU and other advisers can learn a little bit of something about it too.
Please have a read HERE.
The countdown celebration in Dataran Merdeka was cancelled just now because a couple thousand of people had crashed though barricades and stormed the concert area at the field.
Pakatan Rakyat and their leaders have to answer for this travesty; where they claim ‘peaceful’ gathering of their supporters will not disrupt of create any chaos in the city centre.
But knowing these leaders where they do not uphold and accountability not integrity, they will deny any involvement and shift the blame to the government.
The plight of the rest of the crowd who went to the concert in order to celebrate and have fun with their friends and family members will not be of any importance to them. Their intention was to usher in 2014 with much joy and happiness but this had been greatly denied by those Pakatan hooligans.
Now who should be held responsible? Demonstration like this will only affect the reputation of the nation. It is appalling to say that Malaysia is on the brink of disaster and the people are very very unhappy because of government’s mismanagement when everywhere in Malaysia (including in Dataran Merdeka) normal citizens are trying to have fun.
Lim Kit Siang and his ilk (including his son, Lim Guan Eng) will never fail us in delivering spiteful and racist festive messages promoting hate among the people of Malaysia.
Lim Guan Eng in his infamous Wesak Day speech some time ago was even more acrimonious and vindictive. He seditiously tried to agitate the buddhists and the christians against the malays and muslims.
Malicious people are incorrigible. Malaysia is truly unfortunate to have this father-son combo who preach fairness/equality and peace but in reality, a hypocritical duo of antagonists who will not hesitate to use religion, racism and dictatorial tactics just to attain and retain power.
Compared to the Prime Minister’s Christmas message which are inclusive and even reconciliatory, Lim Kit Siang’s holiday message seemed to be a call to religious war of sorts. Will Lim Kit Siang see the faint light at the end of the tunnel and change for the better in the twilight of his years? Don’t hold your breath.
The Ketua Pemuda Umno too wrote a Christmas message in his facebook account. Although he claimed that it is not a standard christmas greeting by politicians, it is in fact a standard festive greeting usually written by malay apologists in web columns such as The Malaysian Insider.
This is not going to be a standard Christmas message. I thought this year, let’s not have someone draft the same generic message that politicians get their office to churn out year in, year out.
I went to a Catholic primary school in Japan. Unlike most convent schools in Malaysia, my school was run by Canadian Catholic priests. Many of my teachers were priests. Brother Raymond, a tall, curly-haired Québécois was once such teacher who left an impression on me about hard work and fair play.
Everyday we would begin school with prayer. For non-Christians like me we just bowed our head in silence out of respect while Christian students prayed. Sometimes I would recite the Al Fatihah quietly to myself. Sometimes I would just daydream.
There was a crucifix in every classroom. Brother Raymond wore a big cross around his neck on a chain on top of his black clerical shirt. Many of my friends went for their Holy Communion and had their pictures taken for the yearbook.
We all sang in a choir. When it came to Christmas, non-Christians also sang the non-religious songs. I think some even sang the religious songs but just kept quiet during certain lines!
I went to my friends’ houses for Christmas. I was given presents. My parents were well prepared so I brought presents with me also to give to my hosts.
None of this affected my own faith. My parents instilled in me a strong foundation in Islam. I led congregational prayers among my peers when I was small. I took part in Quran recitals organised by the embassy. Nothing I experienced at my Catholic school could undermine or shake my faith.
The point of my brief recollection is this: have faith in your own faith. If your belief is strong, no one can make you lose your religion.
And if you are sure of your own convictions, you will respect others even more. You won’t view them as a threat, as people secretly working to proselytise you. You might even learn from them as I did from Brother Raymond.
To everyone celebrating, have a happy Christmas.
What a touching christmas greeting. It is more of chastising the malay muslims here in Malaysia, rather than a direct message for the Christians here. Hence, due to his capacity as Ketua Pemuda Umno, he feels that it is his right to straighten his fellow muslims and therefore, a tacit apology for non-muslims for the behaviour of his fellow muslim brothers and sisters. In this regard since it is the Christmas period, the implied apology is for the christians.
It is certainly not wrong to ask for forgiveness and extend the olive branch. Thank you Ketua Pemuda for apologising on our behalf. A liberal will always be an apologist for his race.
Hopefully during Hari Raya Aidilfitri there will be christian politicians who will write in their Facebook like below. We have took the liberty to copy the Ketua Pemuda’s message and interchange certain keywords to fit the Hari Raya message appropriately:
This is not going to be a standard Hari Raya message. I thought this year, let’s not have someone draft the same generic message that politicians get their office to churn out year in, year out.
I went to a national primary school in Johor. Unlike most national schools in Malaysia, my school was run predominantly by malay muslims. Our headmaster was a strict ustaz. Many of my teachers were religious malay muslims. Cikgu Rizal, a tall, curly-haired malay was once such teacher who left an impression on me about hard work and fair play.
Everyday we would begin school with prayer. For non-Muslims like me we just bowed our head in silence out of respect while muslim students prayed. Sometimes I would recite some psalms quietly to myself. Sometimes I would just daydream.
There was an Allah inscription in every classroom. Cikgu Rizal wore a songkok and carries a small Yassin book whenever he goes. Many of my friends went for their Khatam Quran in the afternoon religious class and had their pictures taken for the yearbook.
We all sang in a choir. When it came to Hari Raya, non-Muslims also sang the non-religious songs. I think some even sang the religious songs but just kept quiet during certain lines!
I went to my friends’ houses for Hari Raya. I was given duit raya too and eat their Raya food.
None of this affected my own faith. My parents instilled in me a strong foundation in Christianity. I attend mass on Sundays with my peers when I was small. I took part in catholic choirs organised by the local church. Nothing I experienced at my primary school could undermine or shake my faith.
The point of my brief recollection is this: have faith in your own faith. If your belief is strong, no one can make you lose your religion.
And if you are sure of your own convictions, you will respect others even more. You won’t view them as a threat, as people secretly working to undermine your religion. You might even learn from them as I did from Cikgu Rizal.
To everyone celebrating, Selamat Hari Raya Aidifitri.
Will Hannah Yeoh write something similar? Will Lim Guan Eng pose this kind of messages?
For certain, only the malays are more tolerant and reconciliatory. Spiteful and racist politicians especially from DAP do not apologise for who they are.
Thanks to blogger SatD, we came across this intriguing article on covert Christian evangelicals in East Africa. It tells a story of a muslim man who became an ardent follower of Christ eventhough outwardly, he is still deemed by the general community as a muslim.
But as the interview progressed, it is becoming clear that he is really a pure Christian at heart whereby he discounted the role of Prophet Muhammad and elevated the position of Christ (Isa Al Masih) and of course, believe in the Trinity (Holy Spirit, Father and Son).
In the belief system of any muslim, the centre of it all is the iman; and the most important part of the iman is the belief in Allah. The one true God. He neither begets nor was begotten. Which runs contrary to the Christian beliefs.
However, from the interview below which appeared in the web portal Christianity Today, the interviewee (known as a pseudonym of “Abu Jaz”) is clearly a member of an evangelical movement trying to subvert the unassuming muslims into a practising christian.
Remember SatD’s post about the type of muslims which are targeted by the Evangelicals? Within the post there is a schedule on the types on Christians in the muslim world:
Abu Jaz is clearly a C5 type of christian. And together with his movement, they are trying to move into C6 where they will be perceived as muslims but privately, they are christians. Note that for a muslim, the moment you believe in the Trinity and the bible, in substance, you are no longer a muslim. And Abu Jaz cited extensively verses from the bible and not once from the Quran. He even talked about syncretism between Christian and Islam.
Do read below on their modus operandi, which among others, telling muslims that they (the Christians) worship Allah too. The opening paragraphs are just misdirection in stating that Abu Jaz is still a muslim and not necessarily be a christian. But as mentioned before, as the interview progressed, it is an obvious fact that Abu Jaz is clearly a christian. We assure you this interview is a really great read in knowing the intricacies of the evangelical movement in East Africa.
Worshiping Jesus in the Mosque
Can people from other religious traditions genuinely follow Jesus without becoming “Christians”? The question is a point of much dispute within today’s missions world. Those who follow Jesus yet don’t formally express Christian faith are said to belong to insider movements. And no insider movement has received more attention than Muslims who embrace Christ yet stay within their Islamic community. “Insiders” are hard to access due to cultural, geographic, and linguistic barriers. As a result, many Christians have taken positions on insider movements without ever having met or spoken with someone who belongs to one. In the following exclusive interview, we hear from just such an insider.
The following is the synthesis of two interviews conducted in 2011 with “Abu Jaz,” a key leader in a movement that describes itself as the People of the Gospel. This group represents several thousand Muslims in eastern Africa who have converted to faith in Christ during the past decade, but who have remained in their Muslim communities. Abu Jaz is married and has three children. He started followingIsa al Masih (“Jesus the Messiah”) as the Savior 18 years ago.
The interview was conducted by “Gene Daniels,” a missionary in the Muslim community for over a decade, who has published many articles in missionary journals. Christianity Today has verified the authenticity of the interviewer and interviewee, whose real names are withheld so that the work of the People of the Gospel will be protected.
Describe your conversion to Christ.
One night the only food my wife and I had was a small portion of macaroni. My wife prepared it very nicely. Then one of her friends knocked on the door. I told myself, The macaroni is not sufficient for even the two of us, so how will it be enough for three of us?But because we have no other custom, we opened the door, and she came in to eat with us.
While we were eating, the macaroni started to multiply; it became full in the bowl. I suspected that something was wrong with my eyes, so I started rubbing them. I thought maybe my wife hid some macaroni under the small table, so I checked, but there was nothing. My wife and I looked at each other, but because the guest was there we said nothing.
Afterward I lay down on the bed, and as I slept, Isa came to me and asked me, “Do you know who multiplied the macaroni?” I said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I am Isa al Masih. If you follow me, not only the macaroni but your life will be multiplied.”
He didn’t tell me that he was God; he didn’t tell me that he died on behalf of me; he didn’t say, “I am the Son of God.” He didn’t talk to me about any complicated theological issues. He only told me that if I followed him, he would multiply my life. At that time, I was very happy if he only multiplied the macaroni like he did that day. I didn’t understand what he meant when he said that my life would be multiplied. Now I understand what that means. But at that time, I accepted him simply as the “lord of macaroni.”
Much like the crowds in the Gospels who accepted him as “lord of bread.”
Yes, I just accepted him as one who satisfied my needs. That day I understood that because Allah loved me, Isa came to my home.
When I think back now, the kingdom of God came to my home. Jesus said, “[I]f I cast out demons … the kingdom … has come upon you” (Luke 11:20, NASB). Any miracle that takes place by Isa al Masih speaks of the kingdom of God. It was not because I was poor that Isa came to my home; there are many poor. It is not because he wanted to multiply my macaroni. Maybe there might be other people who can multiply macaroni, like magic. So what is the purpose? Isa al Masih came to my home with the kingdom of God. He didn’t completely explain theological issues, he only said, “If you will follow.”
I went to an [evangelical] church after that, and I faced a cultural challenge as a Muslim. Everything was different—their way of worship, the way they sang songs, the way they danced. Nothing was familiar to me.
I have my own expression of worship. When it comes to greetings, I say, As-salaam ‘alaykum (“Peace be upon you”), and I expect people to reply, Wa ‘alaykum Salaam wa rahmatu l-laahi wa barakaatuh (“Peace to you and may God’s mercy and blessings be upon you”). And we Muslims have a way of shaking hands. But in the church, it was totally different. Nobody liked my expressions. Brothers and sisters told me that As-salaam ‘alaykum and Wa ‘alaykum salaam were from the Devil, so it was hard for me to join and start life with members of the church.
One day the pastor came to me and said, “How are you?” I answered, “Alhamdulillah!” (“Praise be to God!”). The pastor was very angry. He said, “No, brother! No more Alhamdulillah. Your God is changed from Allah to God [using the tribal name]. You have to express your thanksgiving to God as a Christian, and we have our own expression of thanksgiving to God.” He ordered me to say, “Praise the Lord” and “Praise to God.” He asked me to not use the term Allah because Allah is evil, Allah is the Devil, Allah is the black stone, Allah is an idol. That was the first time I had heard [anyone say] that Allah is an idol or evil. I was shocked. When I do my spiritual duties, I think I am doing them for Allah. He is the one who created the universe, sustains the universe, and judges the universe. I couldn’t in my mind imagine that Allah is an idol or evil.
The next day the pastor asked, “How are you?” I wanted to replace his words with my own Alhamdulillah, but since the pastor warned me not to, I didn’t. I tried to say, “Praise the Lord,” or “Praise to God,” but for 33 years I had never used these words or the tribal name for God, and it was difficult to do so. So I stayed [in the church] without sayingAlhamdulillah for more than three months. I simply said, “I am fine.” I wanted to express my gratitude to Allah, but because of their understanding [of the term], I suppressed it.
Then I started questioning the justice of God. I asked him, “God, you are the one who put me in a Muslim culture; it was not my choice. They don’t allow me to express [my praise] in the congregation. When they hear Islamic terminologies, they immediately rebuke me, so I prefer to keep silent. You like the Orthodox culture, you like the traditional African culture, you like Jewish culture, you like the European culture, you like cultures of other people groups, but you dislike the Muslims. So you are not just.”
This stayed with me for two years. But finally, because I had no other alternative, I completely accepted the evangelical cultural context, and I dissolved all of my Islamic cultural identity. No more Islamic terms; [you could say] that in my context I became circumcised. Then people finally accepted me as a believer, but it isolated me from my own Muslim community.
Did the church accept you when you abandoned your Islamic identity?
When I changed my culture they thought I had finally become a believer; before that they did not consider me one. When I changed my culture to become like them, they even clapped their hands and said, “Now Abu Jaz has become a believer.” But I had already believed for two years.
After some time, I had the chance to go to a Bible college. While I studied there, I learned the difference between the supracultural substance of the Word of God and the cultural form that expresses it. Then my question was answered, [and I understood] that God really does love everyone. God opened my eyes to understand that all cultures are equal in his eyes. It is not holy contexts, only holy texts.
From that time, 1998 by the European calendar, I started to prepare myself to speak with my own community. In the Bible college, I discovered myself, and I wanted to restore my cultural identity again, the identity of my culture, not for the sake of the people, but to express myself and my faith in God. I went back and restored my former Islamic cultural identity. Then I rejoiced that God is just.
Still, even if I had theological and cultural challenges in the Christian community, I experienced love there, a love that was alive. The believers showed me and my wife kindness and love. So I praise God for these people.
But I understand the pain of Muslims. I understand what they fear. When they hear the Good News, they want to have Isa al Masih, but because they have been told that it is only Christians who think about him, they reject him. But now we are not repeating the same mistake.
Talk a little about the theology of your movement.
We do not use systematic theology, even though I studied [it] in Bible college and understand how and when Christians developed different Christologies, for example. I know church history, and I know the creeds and when they started. The early church fathers faced external and internal challenges; they wrote the creeds to solve their own challenges, in their own contexts. So if [the] church fathers solved their own problems by finding answers in the Word of God, then the people who are working among the Muslims have to identify their own problems and even call councils to discuss the challenges and apologetic [issues] in these contexts.
How do you go about sharing the gospel in your context?
It is important to start [by asking], What is the purpose of preaching the gospel? We find our thinking in Acts 14:15, where Paul says, “We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.” So bringing the Good News to people is turning them back to their Creator God. Of course, we must do this in Isa, in Jesus, but we have to start just as Paul did, with the Creator God.
This is general revelation. If we destroy general revelation, there is no more special revelation. As far as I know, Paul directly addressed non-Jewish religions twice, and both times, he started with general revelation but ended up with Jesus, the ultimate revelation of God, as the one appointed by God the Creator to save people. The Book of Acts tells us that. But to believers, in the Epistles, he taught them that Jesus is divine. No one can say Jesus is Lord without the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:3).
Muslims believe there is a Creator of heaven and earth, and his name is Allah. If you tell a Muslim about the Creator of heaven and earth, but say that the Creator is not Allah, the Muslim will be very confused. What you are telling him is not good news.
If you believe that even Muslims have received general revelation, then you have to start there. If you don’t believe this, you don’t believe your own [evangelical] theology. But if you come to them with good news, [to] restore their relationship with the Creator God, then you have to receive the name they have for him, Allah. If we say that the one they know as Allah is not God, we are not [speaking] against the religion of Islam, or Muhammad or Qur’an, but against the doctrine of general revelation. The missionary must first receive the name of the Creator God from the people, and then they have heavenly authority to give the people the name of the Savior, Isa al Masih.
How is this different from simply believing in the Muslim prophet Isa, as in the Qur’an?
Muslims believe that Isa is a prophet and messenger of Allah, but that he is superseded by Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. According to Islam, salvation is based on the teaching of Muhammad. But you still have something to start with in Islam. You start with their limited Christology and Christ’s role in the kingdom of God, mainly his role in the Day of Judgment. Muslims start to think from Islamic Christology, but they end up with Isa [as the one] who overcame the power of death. They progressively understand him, from prophet and messenger to Savior and then to Lord. But this takes time and the Holy Spirit, as it also did for Peter.
But while they are slowly coming to understand who Jesus is, why don’t you also slowly bring them into the Christian church?
It is possible for Muslim-background believers to join the existing church. But the evangelical church in my country represents a mixture of two religious forms, the Coptic Church and traditional religion.
If I say to Muslims, “Come to this church with me,” I am inviting them to a very strange thing. Also, this is saying to them that they do not deserve a church that connects with their community. This is why we need a Muslim-focused church-planting strategy, because it will produce a church that uses the terms and forms from their Muslim community, not something from other religious communities.
Many Christians in the West would agree that Muslim-focused evangelistic strategy is needed. But many of them also feel that a Muslim-focused church is going too far.
Why is it too far? All people have a church-planting strategy that fits their religious context. Why is there a [problem] when we come to Islam? So we ask, “Do Muslims deserve a church that fits their cultural context?” We are not trying to bring them into the already [existing] evangelical church. They should have a church that reflects their culture. Then we can say that we have an indigenous church, one that grows from the soil of the Muslim community. To “hook” one person into the evangelical church is possible. But the question is how we can fish with a net.
When you are talking to one person you [are also] talking to his community. He represents the whole community. What we say to one will go back to all the rest. So we want to reach a whole community and bring community transformation. The content of church is from heaven, but the form of the church should be from the ground, the culture. The church should reflect Muslim culture, not Muslim theology.
How do the people in your movement view Muhammad? Is there confusion?
First, we cannot rule out syncretism at the beginning of a new believer’s life. The purpose of discipleship is to separate their old beliefs from their new beliefs. So when they put their faith in Jesus, they may have at the same time Muhammad in their heart. But when they start to pray in the name of Isa for their own need, they experience joy, assurance, and peace. And when they pray in the name of Jesus and find people healed and demons cast out, they completely stop thinking about Muhammad. It is a process of the Holy Spirit.
[We should] categorize people in how they relate to Jesus: Where are these people, and where is Jesus in their life? We should ask, “Does this person accept Isa as Lord of their life?”
But what about Muhammad?
Before [they believe in Isa], Muslims acknowledge Muhammad as the final prophet of God. Then we tell them about Isa al Masih. They already know that Isa al Masih was a prophet that raised people from the dead. They know that Isa al Masih did miracles and that he will come as the sign of the Day of Judgment.
Even though they know all this, they are not intentionally thinking about Isa; they are thinking about Muhammad. But when we tell them the gospel, they begin to think about Isa intentionally as the one who will save them from the Day of Judgment, from Satan, from antichrist, from death.
At that point, they mix Muhammad with Isa al Masih. Before, Isa was not the issue. Muhammad was the issue. But when they hear about Isa, they start to bring Isa up to the level of Muhammad. Before, Muhammad was the one who controlled their life.But when they hear the Good News of the kingdom of God, they start to think about Isa. Now syncretism has started; before there was no syncretism. If missionaries don’t ever want problems with syncretism, then just leave them with Muhammad [grins].
But syncretism did not start with us. It started even in Paul’s time. That was the reason Paul wrote the Epistle to the Galatians. It is not [an] issue because we are Muslims; syncretism starts because people normally start with their own religious background. When people start to think about Isa intentionally, the Holy Spirit has room to lead them into all truth, even if they first mix Isa and Muhammad. The Holy Spirit through time will glorify Isa al Masih in their lives.
So after the new birth, the Holy Spirit begins to open their minds to understand more fully the Messiah.
Yes, of course. Before they believe in Jesus, the Holy Spirit will convict them about sin, righteousness, and judgment. As soon as they give their will to Jesus, they will receive the Holy Spirit and be born again and become a child of God. Then the Holy Spirit starts to live in them. Because the Holy Spirit lives in them, he will lead them to all [the] truth of Jesus. Then the Holy Spirit will give them revelation, and they will say that Jesus is Lord.
The [rest of the community] have started to think now, and they say, “Lial lial rasul Isa“—”These are the people of the messenger Isa.” They’ll say, “Who are these people? These people are not Christians. These people are not Muslims. Who are they? Let’s go and hear what they are thinking.” We explain as much as possible from the Bible. People ask us, “Who is Isa for you?” Our answer is, “He is the Word of Allah.” Then we quote from the Qur’an, but explain what the “Word of Allah” means from a biblical perspective.
If the Muslim community thinks the new believers “are not Christians and are not Muslims,” what do the new believers themselves think? What is their self-identity?
When they first come to believe in Isa, of course they still think [of themselves] as Muslims. What else could they think? We are not telling them they are now Christians.
But when they understand the gospel more clearly, they don’t want to have an Islamic religious identity. Yet they also do not want to let go of their cultural identity as Muslims, which naturally includes forms from their previous way of life and worship.
Where is Jesus in the life of the people in your movement, the People of the Gospel?
When people want to know our faith articles, we can tell them. But when it comes to individual people, we cannot say so easily, because they are not all on the same level. We find some people who say Jesus is God, some who understand that Jesus is the Savior. Others say he is the Word of Allah, without explanation, as they are struggling to understand what that means. Sometimes they understand Isa, other times they don’t. So we have to instruct them.
We have to teach them from the things that they already know. For example, some people may not [understand] if I tell them that Jesus died on their behalf. Islam has a different theology of sin; they don’t accept that Jesus died on their behalf. It is true that he died on their behalf, but it is not the only benefit [of Christ's death].
When he died on the cross, he defeated death and the one who owned the power of death, Satan. And because God raised Jesus from the dead, he was appointed by God as a judge on the Day of Judgment, and the Savior from the Day of Judgment. The Cross is the answer for every [issue] in life. It is the solution regarding our relation to God, Satan, sin, death, and so on.
It is the evangelist’s responsibility to choose which benefit of the Cross is the answer for the spiritual needs a Muslim feels. Then gradually the Holy Spirit will explain the benefit of the Cross as it relates to their sin.
Muslims are afraid of evil spirits; they are afraid of the Day of Judgment. They are afraid of the Devil. I have a message from the kingdom of God that addresses all of these spiritual needs. So we are using the Muslim way of thinking about Isa, even if it is incomplete. If Muslims understand even one of these, they will call to Isa, and the Holy Spirit can lead them to understand more benefits of the Cross.
There are lots of opportunities in Islam; there are also lots of challenges. But the opportunities are bigger than the challenges. We must remember that it is not we who are bringing God to the Muslim people. He was already here.